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Vaccines giving folks a false sense of security.
COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)
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Vaccines giving folks a false sense of security.
It doesn’t seem to have been part of this study since it wasn’t approved in December.What about Johnson and Johnson?
I heard it was tested extensively in South America and Brazil so it came up against more variants that the original.
They do a good job breaking it down
Johnson and Johnson was more rigorously tested than Pfizer or Moderna was. It was tested in South Africa for example where one of the more nasty variants was circulating.
Johnson and Johnson was more rigorously tested than Pfizer or Moderna was. It was tested in South Africa for example where one of the more nasty variants was circulating.
It's funny because it's like the same three people and here trying to defend every time somebody post an article.
I don't care if people want to enjoy their summer I'm just basically saying the scientist in experts are saying to be careful.
ElectroMan
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100% effective against coronavirus death/hospitalization
95% effective against coronavirus illness
90% effective against coronavirus infection
Is a false sense of security?
If you’re fully vaccinated you earned the right to take your foot off the gas a bit. It’s these people who aren’t fully vaccinated or have no plans to get vaccinated who need to be careful.
So be careful. No ones telling you that you can’t stay vigilant. All you can do is do you. There’s 250 people in Nevada in the hospital with covid. In a state of 3 million. Vegas has been open for months. More than 1 in 4 in the state are vaccinated with at least one dose, more than 80% of the elderly/vulnerable are vaccinated, and that’s growing by a percentage point each day. That’s the data. Get vaxxed up, and don’t spend time worrying about what some careless anti vax folks are doing because it’s completely out of your control.It's funny because it's like the same three people and here trying to defend every time somebody post an article.
I don't care if people want to enjoy their summer I'm just basically saying the scientist in experts are saying to be careful.
chief_keef_stan
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this is bad info.
cant compare the actual data the same. ppl just look at base numbers and make assumptions
Nah. My info is correct. The J&J vaccine is still good because it offers good efficacy and prevents serious complications from the disease if it is still contracted.
If you are comparing it with Pfizer and Moderna, the trial results for those show a higher level of efficacy. Bottom line. You and someone else cited the different study populations and times which led to the overall 66% efficacy in preventing contraction of COVID. This is true. But when you break out the numbers geographically, the efficacy only improved to 72% for subjects in the US, which is data that is not skewed by the variants.
Pfizer and Moderna trials were earlier, but the 94% prevention of contraction is still relevant. The new real world data for Pfizer and Moderna support this fact by showing 90% efficacy in preventing COVID, which means performance isn’t really hurt by current conditions in the US. These are great results for them.
At the end of the day, according to the data, Pfizer and Moderna have data to show it’s more effective than J&J in preventing it. You’re probably looking at approximately 90% vs around 70%. J&J is still going to do a good job at protecting folks from catching it. They are also touting the reduction of serious illness, which is also important, but J&J is also marketing their ass off to spin those overall efficacy numbers, which they did NOT expect.
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Aintnobodystupid
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there’s also the fact that those of us that are vaccinated had been moving with a lot more intention prior to the shot already, so even letting off the gas for us doesnt mean that we’re taking it as an excuse to be reckless
all that matters tbh .. we need to stop looking at case counts
none of the people who got vaccinated died from covid 19
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Not wishing to argue but those lines need clarification ... Also not wishing to induce a vanishing act ...
What you meant to say was "effective against coronavirus [self-reported symptomatic] infection"
Or at least that is how the initial Pfizer, Moderna, AZ phase 3 studies were done.
As a result those ^ result statistics (somehow) ignore the widely accepted phenomenon known as asymptomatic covid damage.
"A big chunk of people who catch COVID-19 -- maybe as many as 40%, by some estimates -- never develop noticeable symptoms.
They don’t run a fever. They don’t cough or feel short of breath, and they don’t get the strange panoply of other symptoms that can herald a COVID-19 infection like frostbite-like bumps on the skin, diarrhea, or the loss of smell or taste.
It's a very big portion of people, and although they are silent without symptoms, internally, they are taking hits in there inside their body so they don't even know it,” says Eric Topol, MD, the founder and director of the Scripps Translational Research Institute in La Jolla, CA. Topol and his co-author Daniel Oran, recently reviewed the medical evidence on asymptomatic infections.
Researchers who have scanned the hearts and lungs of people who tested positive for COVID-19, but never felt ill, have seen telltale signs of distress.
In the lungs, scientists have reported cloudy white areas called “ground glass opacities” in asymptomatic patients. Ground glass opacities are also seen patients with more severe COVID-19.
Across four different studies of people with asymptomatic infections, about half have had ground glass opacities on CT scans."
Asymptomatic COVID: Silent, but Maybe Not Harmless
And then you have the other tests skews that some find concerning.
So I am not here to argue. I am just pointing out why some might consider the test summary statistics to be somewhat "spin-ny".
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