COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

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Covid infection protection waning in double jabbed

Researchers say they are seeing some waning of protection against Covid infections in double-jabbed people.

The real-world study includes data on positive Covid PCR test results between May and July 2021 among more than a million people who had received two doses of Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine.

Protection after two shots of Pfizer decreased from 88% at one month to 74% at five to six months.

For AstraZeneca, the fall was from 77% to 67% at four to five months.

Waning protection is to be expected, say experts.

Although some breakthrough infections may be happening, vaccines are still doing a very good job at protecting people against severe Covid illness and deaths.

Vaccines saving lives
Public Health England estimates that around 84,600 deaths and 23 million infections have been prevented as a result of the Covid-19 vaccination programme in England so far.

Prof Tim Spector, lead investigator on the Zoe Covid Study app behind the research, said the findings could explain recent breakthrough infections that some fully vaccinated people have been reporting.

Prof Spector said: "Waning protection is to be expected and is not a reason to not get vaccinated.

"Vaccines still provide high levels of protection for the majority of the population, especially against the Delta variant, so we still need as many people as possible to get fully vaccinated."

He estimates that protection against infection could drop to 50% by the winter and boosters will be needed, but other experts urge caution about making predictions for the months ahead.

The UK is expected to begin offering some people a third Covid booster jab next month, but is waiting for recommendations from an independent advisory body called the JCVI which is looking at evidence to support a decision.

Prof Spector said: "Many people may not need them. Many people may have had a natural booster because they've already had a natural Covid infection, so will effectively have had three vaccines.

"So I think the whole thing needs to be much more carefully managed than just giving it to everybody which would be a huge waste and ethically dubious given the resources we have. I think we need a more targeted approach than last time."

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This study once again illustrates why we need to get used to Covid circulating - this is not a virus that's going to go away.

The vaccines do not work like they do for measles which provide life-long immunity. Immunity against Covid was always expected to wane.

And another factor to consider is that repeated exposure to the virus is likely to increase the risk of a breakthrough infection - the increased likelihood over time of infection post-jabbing may not be all related to waning immunity.

Whatever the cause though, experts have been clear we should expect to be repeatedly infected over our lifetimes.

The important thing is that each re-infection should be milder as the vaccines remain highly effective at preventing serious illness.

What the vaccines have effectively done is taken the edge off the virus - given our immune system a head-start so those early infections are milder than they would have been for most.

What's not clear yet is the merits of offering the most vulnerable a booster jab. It is likely to be a fine judgement call because there are so many unknowns - although the expectation is some will be offered it.

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Dr Simon Clarke, an expert in cellular microbiology at the University of Reading, said infection levels in the community would alter a person's chance of encountering and catching Covid at any given time, making it hard to draw firm conclusions about waning immunity.

Dr Alexander Edwards, also from the University of Reading, said it was important to understand when booster doses might be needed and for whom.

"Vaccination does not, unsurprisingly, make people invulnerable, and does not prevent all infections. Variants have real and significant impact on public health, and a lot of people are still tragically dying in the UK from this nasty virus.

"The vaccines we have are remarkably safe and effective, and still remain far better than other vaccines that give massive benefits."

He added: "We must pro-actively plan our public health strategy to account for imperfect protection, and for the possibility of falling protection over time."

'Watch carefully'
A similar study was published by the Office for National Statistics and the Oxford Vaccine Group last week.

Based on PCR test results from nearly 400,000 people who had been infected with the Delta variant in the UK, it found two doses of the Pfizer vaccine was initially more than 90% effective against symptomatic Covid infection, compared to around 70% for the AstraZeneca vaccine.

But over the course of three months, the protection from Pfizer fell significantly whereas immunity with the AstraZeneca jab remained more stable.

Prof Adam Finn, a government vaccine adviser, said other studies had shown that the vaccines maintained good protection against serious illness and hospitalisation.

But he said: "We do need to watch out very carefully to see if this waning against milder disease begins to translate into occurrence of more severe cases because then boosters will be needed."

endemic corona virus is not a nice thought.

from the uk study, pfizer protection falling at 3 months is concerning. most people i know who have taken the vaccine took pfizer. one took moderna.
 

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Mr Kipling boss says 'work is a verb, not a place' as cakes firm Premier Foods says more than 800 office staff can choose whether to work from home or go to the office
  • Bosses say staff can work 'wherever they work best' as part of new hybrid model
  • Trial involving more than 100 employees said a mix offered 'best of both worlds'
  • Offered St Albans, Manchester, Lutterworth, Southampton, High Wycombe staff
The owner of cakes firm Mr Kipling says more than 800 office staff can choose whether to come into the office or log on from home, claiming: 'Work is a verb, not a place.'

Premier Foods, which also owns brands including Oxo and Bisto, said staff can work 'wherever they work best' from this month as part of a new hybrid model.

It follows a trial involving more than 100 employees at the FTSE 250 listed group, with staff concluding that a mix of office work and home-working would offer the 'best of both worlds'.

Premier Foods said the new working arrangement will be offered to staff across its offices in St Albans, Manchester, Lutterworth, Southampton, and High Wycombe.

Mr Kipling says more than 800 office staff can choose whether to work from home or go to the office | Daily Mail Online


 

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Now, they are saying that the vaxxed are being 'divisive' and doing this 'cant we all just love each other' bullshyt. They are comparing mask mandates to Jim Crow and the Holocaust. Smh
 

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I don’t take flawed studies seriously, no. Read up on the Simpson paradox.

Without delving too deep into the conversation - ALL of the information that has been presented during this pandemic has been flawed, every single step of the way. The data that's been presented has been manipulated and phrased in different ways so much that it seems contradictory. It doesn't matter which way you look at it, so arguing either way is a moot point. The first thing you learn in statistic is how to manipulate data...OK, maybe the 1B, because you learn how to control the information that you are obtaining as the first step.

Even your arguments and data/analyses that you are bring forth are not exactly the same as the information being filtered to the public, so you have to understand the skepticism of everything. And all it takes is one lie (we are dealing with 10s at this point) for people to question it all.
 

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The new chick that replaced Cuomo just said he underreported 12k deaths in NY?! Uh oh the NY billionaires aint done with him yet

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