COVID 'Lambda' Variant Showing Vaccine Resistence
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You were just there as context for @TENET's goofy response. Your post was perfectly valid and he was just being silly to try to cast doubt on it.
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THE MACHINE said:
Absolute nonsense. The reason people in those countries have so many children in the first place is because of high child mortality. If the children don't die from preventable diseases, there's no need for more to replace them which is NECESSARY as those countries don't have Social Security or any 'safety nets' for their Senior Citizens. The kids/grandkids take care of the elderly.
Lower child mortality = Lower birth rates
THAT'S what 'population control' means and has worked in EVERY 'developed' Nation and what the Gates' were talking about.
Don't worry, we'll go to war with them over this. The question is when? Because every simulated war game with China has resulted in the US losing. Honestly, we might be kicking the can down the road in regards to the end of American dominance.
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Canada is about as left wing as we currently are. They still got more than plenty racist white people in power just like us.
Go ahead and quote where I am cosigning 'right wing attempts' to blame immigrants for the pandemic. Nice way to try to obfuscate and get out of the fact that there is clearly a difference in how the Canadian border is being handled vs the Mexican border that is completely contrary to common sense.
Canadians are MORE vaccinated to the tune of over 50% and yet the borders are much more stringent. Mexico is much less vaccinated, to the tune of only 25% of the population and we have a wide open border that is allowing over a million people cross in untracked in a year. If this pandemic is really a huge concern like you say, don't you think we'd be treating both borders the same or give the border that has a lot more potential unvaccinated coming through MORE attention? Because according to your own logic, isn't the unvaccinated the problem? Don't we want to limit the amount of unvaccinated in the country?
If over a million people coming from a largely unvaccinated nation isn't spreading the disease, then how you able to correlate the disease as being spread by the unvaccinated here? Make sense of that for me. How is a population that is 25% vaccinated, so 75% unvaccinated spreading disease less than a population that is over 50% vaccinated? Make it make sense for us how a population that is SIGNIFICANTLY less vaccinated than us is spreading the disease at a lower rate when according to your own logic, it is the unvaccinated that is spreading the disease.
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be a chicken breh ...
In 2019, there were some 25.9 billion chickens in the world, up from 14.38 billion chickens in 2000.
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Reign_Of_The_Most_High said:
Here's a "better" picture......
.....and another.....
Copy-pasting a bunch of shyt off of a Mercola misinformation campaign with zero context doesn't do much of anything to inform people. I'm guessing you didn't even read those articles or do any cross-checking to see how valid they were?
Nearly every article you posted is either outdated or actually contradicts the anti-vax position.
1. Yes, theoretically a virus could evolve in response to a vaccine. However, the article itself states that in the real world history of human vaccine use the opposite has happened - vaccines have been immensely successful and remained successful. There has never been a single case of widespread vaccination causing a disease to become worse for society than it was pre-vaccination.
2. That's an outdated 10-year-old article that has nothing to do with Covid. One attempt at a SARS vaccine failed, researchers understood why it failed, published it, and used that information to develop Covid vaccines that would not fail in the same way - which is why none of the 100+ developed Covid vaccines ran into that problem.
3. A hypothetical paper from when the vaccines first came out that says, "While the vaccines work great at preventing serious disease, more research needs to be done to see how well they stop transmission." Since more research has been done, why are you posting hypothetical outdated suggestions?
4. Despite the scary headline, there's literally nothing in there that everyone doesn't already know. In fact, the paper directly contradicts the hypothetical concern from your 3rd article: "While vaccines are beneficial in preventing severe infections, contracting the virus and transmitting COVID-19, vaccinated individuals are never completely protected against COVID-19. Breakthrough infections are possible, and the delta infectivity rate is still very high."
5. The paper itself says clearly that its results have NOTHING to do with vaccines: "Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself."
6. Those results are preliminary but if true, what's the point? The vaccine is highly effective in preventing you from getting sick the FIRST time, yes surviving Covid might help you keep from getting sick a 2nd time but you still got sick the first time lol. And the results are likely badly off because elderly people with the weakest immune systems were vaccinated first in Israel, which distorts the findings.
7. That 2015 article said poor vaccination can make a disease worse, since that article has nothing to do with Covid and Covid vaccines clearly have not had that effect, why are you posting it?
8. That says that mrna vaccines are not gene therapy and don't change your DNA, even though some people get confused. So you posted it because.....?
9. That's the 5th outdated article you posted, from last year before the vaccine testing results had even come back and the study's own author says that his fears were alleviated by the results: Post makes false claim about COVID-19 vaccine risk
So in summary, you posted 5 outdated links that have already been proven not to apply to the covid vaccines and 2 links that have nothing to do with the vaccines at all and explicitly say so. There's only 2 useful pieces of information that actually apply to the Covid vaccines:
#1. Natural immunity may offer better protection than vaccine immunity (an uncertain result based on preliminary results of mostly elderly people with no randomization or control), but that sort of defeats the purpose because you don't get that immunity until you GET SICK FROM COVID first.
#2. Some breakthrough infections occur.
Nearly every article you posted is either outdated or actually contradicts the anti-vax position.
1. Yes, theoretically a virus could evolve in response to a vaccine. However, the article itself states that in the real world history of human vaccine use the opposite has happened - vaccines have been immensely successful and remained successful. There has never been a single case of widespread vaccination causing a disease to become worse for society than it was pre-vaccination.
2. That's an outdated 10-year-old article that has nothing to do with Covid. One attempt at a SARS vaccine failed, researchers understood why it failed, published it, and used that information to develop Covid vaccines that would not fail in the same way - which is why none of the 100+ developed Covid vaccines ran into that problem.
3. A hypothetical paper from when the vaccines first came out that says, "While the vaccines work great at preventing serious disease, more research needs to be done to see how well they stop transmission." Since more research has been done, why are you posting hypothetical outdated suggestions?
4. Despite the scary headline, there's literally nothing in there that everyone doesn't already know. In fact, the paper directly contradicts the hypothetical concern from your 3rd article: "While vaccines are beneficial in preventing severe infections, contracting the virus and transmitting COVID-19, vaccinated individuals are never completely protected against COVID-19. Breakthrough infections are possible, and the delta infectivity rate is still very high."
5. The paper itself says clearly that its results have NOTHING to do with vaccines: "Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself."
6. Those results are preliminary but if true, what's the point? The vaccine is highly effective in preventing you from getting sick the FIRST time, yes surviving Covid might help you keep from getting sick a 2nd time but you still got sick the first time lol. And the results are likely badly off because elderly people with the weakest immune systems were vaccinated first in Israel, which distorts the findings.
7. That 2015 article said poor vaccination can make a disease worse, since that article has nothing to do with Covid and Covid vaccines clearly have not had that effect, why are you posting it?
8. That says that mrna vaccines are not gene therapy and don't change your DNA, even though some people get confused. So you posted it because.....?
9. That's the 5th outdated article you posted, from last year before the vaccine testing results had even come back and the study's own author says that his fears were alleviated by the results: Post makes false claim about COVID-19 vaccine risk
So in summary, you posted 5 outdated links that have already been proven not to apply to the covid vaccines and 2 links that have nothing to do with the vaccines at all and explicitly say so. There's only 2 useful pieces of information that actually apply to the Covid vaccines:
#1. Natural immunity may offer better protection than vaccine immunity (an uncertain result based on preliminary results of mostly elderly people with no randomization or control), but that sort of defeats the purpose because you don't get that immunity until you GET SICK FROM COVID first.
#2. Some breakthrough infections occur.
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The entire fukking thread where you keep blaming the immigrants.
I already pointed out to you that this was a lie - there has never been a million people "crossing in untracked" in a year and most of the people captured at the border were sent back. You assumed that every person arrested at the border was just released into the country untracked, which is completely ignorant of border policy.
And there are already 80 million unvaccinated adults spreading shyt in the USA, you still haven't explained how a few thousand people of whom 75% limit themselves to a farm and don't even interact with the general population like that are going to have ANY impact on national spreading.
The entire fukking thread where you keep blaming the immigrants.
I already pointed out to you that this was a lie - there has never been a million people "crossing in untracked" in a year and most of the people captured at the border were sent back. You assumed that every person arrested at the border was just released into the country untracked, which is completely ignorant of border policy.
And there are already 80 million unvaccinated adults spreading shyt in the USA, you still haven't explained how a few thousand people of whom 75% limit themselves to a farm and don't even interact with the general population like that are going to have ANY impact on national spreading.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/30/us-to-restrict-travel-from-covid-ravaged-india.html
Joe Biden is a racist and secret right winger because he is restricting travel from a place that is a covid hotspot right? Really, you're telling me it's fine that the flights coming in from India should be a lot less lax and restricted than the ones coming in from say Israel? In fact, we should just ignore it altogether because we need to focus on only the unvaccinated in the US. That's the logic you're running with in regards to the border.
Few thousand? Border agents encountered 180,000 in the month of May alone. In fact, I was wrong. My numbers were accounting for the numbers that were encountered, so there were more. In other words, you're telling me unvaccinated who isolate themselves are perfectly fine since they aren't spreading the disease. Ok, got it. So why are you pushing for forcing people to get vaccinated again?
Why do you keep throwing out these random red herrings and deflections? NO ONE said that border restrictions for Covid are racist. But we're not talking about border restrictions for Covid, we're talking about publicity stunts by Republican politicians to blame immigrants for their Covid surges when they clearly have no impact at all.
TBH unless we lock down the country completely then flights from India are probably irrelevant. We already have a dozen strains in the USA and people and international travel back and forth from a ton of countries, any one national block is meaningless in the big picture. Trump blocked all sorts of countries and yet the virus still spread here just as well.
Not saying they "should" or "shouldn't" do it, but that unless you go all-in and stop all flights then you're unlikely to make any difference at all. And no one is willing to stop all flights.
Why do you keep throwing out these random red herrings and deflections? NO ONE said that border restrictions for Covid are racist. But we're not talking about border restrictions for Covid, we're talking about publicity stunts by Republican politicians to blame immigrants for their Covid surges when they clearly have no impact at all.
This is the 5th time you've repeated that 180,000 number even after I showed you that most of the arrested migrants are sent back over the border, they are NOT just released untracked into American society. Why do you keep promoting a lie even after its been exposed?
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And as long as people like @Commish spread baseless, illogical, non-scientific conspiracies, people will not take the vaccine... the exact thing needed to end a pandemic. All you have is conspiracies, while science has solutions.
GRAND CLOSING (aka.. come down to Earth breh... and get off Reddit smh)
And as long as people like @Commish spread baseless, illogical, non-scientific conspiracies, people will not take the vaccine... the exact thing needed to end a pandemic. All you have is conspiracies, while science has solutions.
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GRAND CLOSING (aka.. come down to Earth breh... and get off Reddit smh)
And as long as people like @Commish spread baseless, illogical, non-scientific conspiracies, people will not take the vaccine... the exact thing needed to end a pandemic. All you have is conspiracies, while science has solutions.
Dude...
Calm the fukk down!
I based an OPINION, not a fact! What empirical evidence do you have to counter what I said?
I was half way asleep when I made my OG post! I also said in a few of my posts that my OG post wasn't based on a fact.
So, how am I spreading anything?
I stand on what I said..
I believe what I believe! I don't have to prove shyt on what I believe. Once I said that my conjecture was just that, then most people with any sense would take it as such.
Smh..
