Cuomo Proposes Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible Students

[88m3]

I don't get it, why would making tuition free automatically lead to defunding CUNY? You could say it's some kind of spending increase if it goes that way, sure, but his idiot assertion is that things are already bad (in my opinion), the best bet is to let them get worse



Conjecture and opinion. That's literally just your opinion. Public schools are falling apart and some states are having trouble paying teachers, is the solution then to make them not free anymore? Are you an idiot?

It's already highly underfunded. There is no motivation to do so now and this would erode any hope of that imo. They'll have to fund this tuition plan somehow and the money would more than likely come from the same pot.

Perhaps by not doing the tuition plan the money can be raised to modernize campuses, pay proper salaries, and fund programs.

Education is already highly subsidized in NY btw but we're just glossing over that.

It's not conjecture and opinion.

CUNY Faculty to Begin Voting on Possible Strike

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/n...s-cuny-citys-engine-of-mobility-sputters.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/n...t-cuny-funding-cuomo-faces-loud-backlash.html

If the governor were truly interested in improving CUNY, many university employees say, he would reverse a trend under his tenure: State investment per student has not kept pace with enrollment, falling 3 percent even as tuition has increased, according to the university’s faculty union. Professors tell of the scarcity of basic school supplies like paper and chalk, swelling class sizes, hiring freezes and increasing reliance on poorly paid adjuncts to teach classes. The faculty has gone without a contract or raise for six years.

CUNY On The Brink
(meh article)

Don't shift the conversation to primary education. Lets stay focused.

 

[Maschine_Man]

I can't believe there are ppl fighting AGAINST free education.

i don't care if they have to raises taxes to do it. Education should be free. And the country, and the ppl in it should all want the same.


Or maybe ppl are just against cuz they won't have an excuse to be stupid anymore

 

[88m3]

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts

 

[Broke Wave]

It's already highly underfunded. There is no motivation to do so now and this would erode any hope of that imo. They'll have to fund this tuition plan somehow and the money would more than likely come from the same pot.

Perhaps by not doing the tuition plan the money can be raised to modernize campuses, pay proper salaries, and fund programs.

Education is already highly subsidized in NY btw but we're just glossing over that.

It's not conjecture and opinion.

CUNY Faculty to Begin Voting on Possible Strike

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/n...s-cuny-citys-engine-of-mobility-sputters.html

CUNY On The Brink
(meh article)

Don't shift the conversation to primary education. Lets stay focused.

CUNY being underfunded is not the opinion, of course education is underfunded. What was opinion and conjecture is that the buildings are crumbling and that this will impede further funding of CUNY. You saying that it's going to come from the same pot is not an accurate statement. There is plenty of money to go around. The NYPD Budget is 5 billion dollars a year. That's 5 billion with a B for a city. The entire CUNY budget is 3 billion dollars a year. It's about a re-alignment of priorities and free tuiton would be a step in the right direction.

 

[88m3]

CUNY being underfunded is not the opinion, of course education is underfunded. What was opinion and conjecture is that the buildings are crumbling and that this will impede further funding of CUNY. You saying that it's going to come from the same pot is not an accurate statement. There is plenty of money to go around. The NYPD Budget is 5 billion dollars a year. That's 5 billion with a B for a city. The entire CUNY budget is 3 billion dollars a year. It's about a re-alignment of priorities and free tuiton would be a step in the right direction.

It all takes money. The buildings/expansion cost money and the tuition plan will cost money. The funding isn't forthcoming for repairs and that tells me something."There is plenty of money to go around" that's easy to say and of course I too can point to bloated budgets elsewhere that I personally disagree with but that's where that hypothetical ends. You and I both know that. Where do you expect the money to come from? Read some of the NYT articles I shared. I'd estimate it would cost more than 3 billion just to renovate/repair campuses. CUNY/SUNY tuitions are comparable to education costs in Canada last I knew. Low income students/ young adults without upper middle class parents claiming them as dependents already have a host of grants and subsidized loans. If it can be implemented not on the back of taxpayers I don't see the issue honestly but we're already extremely taxed from the upper middle class down are being squeezed dry. Everything always falls on the taxpayers and never the corporations and that's not going to change. I'd like to be a pie in the sky guy but I'm realist.

 

[88m3]

“What possible justification could exist for savagely cutting an institution that for many is a path out of poverty?” Mr. Torres said. “It’s their only shot at upward mobility. If CUNY is not a symbol of progressivism, I don’t know what is.”

 

[Serious]

Will this include grad students

no

 

[Serious]

Yeah Yeah Yeah...so keep it to yourself

stop using the coli as a platform to spread/promote your ignorance breh

the shyt aint cute no more

Sarcasm is a lost form of expression on the internet

 

[88m3]

On a side note I read earlier that CUNY was free until 1975.

 

[Jhoon]

I can't believe there are ppl fighting AGAINST free education.

i don't care if they have to raises taxes to do it. Education should be free. And the country, and the ppl in it should all want the same.


Or maybe ppl are just against cuz they won't have an excuse to be stupid anymore

If a significant portion of thepeople in this country have an issue with healthcare, why wouldn't they have an issue with free education?

For the most part, there seems to be a correlation between non wasps going to college and college funding facing a financial crisis.

 

[Serious]

On a side note I read earlier that CUNY was free until 1975.

California colleges and universities were free until Reagan baby boomers fukk us over, once again

 

[Maschine_Man]

If a significant portion of thepeople in this country have an issue with healthcare, why wouldn't they have an issue with free education?

For the most part, there seems to be a correlation between non wasps going to college and college funding facing a financial crisis.

Well, considering I think both should be free, I think ppl need to re-evaluate their priorities.

As for the second part, I don't se the correlation, care to explain?

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

I find this interesting. Under Cuomo the CUNY system has been deteriorating quickly, now I'm suppose to believe he's going to provide public college education for free?

I don't trust him.

 

[3rdLetter]

no

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

I don't get it, why would making tuition free automatically lead to defunding CUNY? You could say it's some kind of spending increase if it goes that way, sure, but his idiot assertion is that things are already bad (in my opinion), the best bet is to let them get worse



Conjecture and opinion. That's literally just your opinion. Public schools are falling apart and some states are having trouble paying teachers, is the solution then to make them not free anymore? Are you an idiot?

I'm confident his premise is that if Cuomo doesn't even want to fund them why make it free? What's the point of sending everybody to a college with no resources? CUNY has a lot of respectable schools ( Baruch, City College,Hunter, Brooklyn, and Queens), but all of them are going through a resource crisis.