@Dynamite James oh so you a r Kelly hater.
[Curious case of what killed R&B] R&B fans come in here. Missy exposed why R&B is wack now
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@Dynamite James talking shyt about r Kelly's writing skills when your idol Michael Jackson barely wrote his own shyt
With receipts.You always do the opposite.
When Drake was coming to the game there was a big buzz in the industry about the changing of the guard for gatekeepers. This was more than 10 years ago. Singles were charting without radio play...radio was scared. Mixtape albums were the buzz. For the first time in recorded music history Technology had advanced to the point where recording had no large barrier of entry. No longer did artists need to borrow large sums of money for a studio budget and be forced to cater a sound to a label.
The game was wide open. There was a major following on his decision to stay independent or sign. He chose cash money. But still the future had arrived. All digital end to end process. No longer do you have to pay to press albums and use a label for a distro budget or a recording budget. Labels stopped developing artists and started scouting on social. The new metrics were your following and buzz for a signing. Instead of A&R's going thru demos labeld wanted to see your digital footprint. Enter today... The playlists become as important as radio countdowns used to be. That's the new avenue for the old guard. Outside of that artists can thrive but fans are still incredibly sheeple largely sticking to playlists over exploring.
You guys always use outdated information and apply it to the modern music scene in these discussions. I give receipts. People would rather be disingenuous and advance old arguments rather than look at the modern musical landscape and address it as it it instead of was. Because blaming the system is always easier. But on so many fronts in society those arguments are no longer valid
African Peasant
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Forward is today. So I'm right.
Renegade47
Superstar
not my fault you're an idiot.Bruh stop with the conspiracies
Most of you got digital platforms where you can pick any artist and people still go for the top song playlists
Y'all go conspiracies for everything but won't account for individual actions. Why is everyone listening to the same shyt when they can chose anything then crying about death of music. It's death of culture. All these people crying for R&B don't show up in the stream counts. What does that say... Aged out market. If it wasn't the music you want to hear would have had a younger audience that kept carrying it over. They want their ratchet thot and blues. From SZA and Chris Brown.
Many dope modern R&B acts exist and they can't find space in the mainstream with the younger audiences who actually stream and old people are not checking for music if it's not right in front of them. So tough luck.
people assimilated in society do things out of relation and to be like everyone else. yea they can go crate dig and find different things but thats not how shyt works they aren't going to do that. people who dig for music are people who have a different level of care for art. me and all my friends who make music have the same level of care for music our loved ones do not. my people can't understand why i have 300 vinyl records of artist they never heard of.
im cooking in the kitchen listening to bluebucksclan and my homie who only listens to the radio questions why i never listen to people he heard of. its weird and the unknown makes people uncomfortable. me personally idgaf. regular people do not want to seem like outcast so they listen to whatever everyone else do.
if you are smart you know this is simple psychology . majority of people do not wanna be different. thats why people want more diversity so other sounds and styles have a chance to be broadcast. look up an episode of 106 and park from 00-03 and hear how different each song on the countdown sounded from each other. that aint possible today because there is one entity (iheart media) curating everything.
but like i said in my post previously this isn't a conspiracy this is a buisiness move. if you wanna be obtuse and not see it thats on you.
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Say less. I post receipts you're response is an emotional outburst. There's no logic in your claims at all as it pertains to the modern recording industry. The irony is you made my points after insulting me not yours regarding labels. But still tried to conclude that it's the labels fault.not my fault you're an idiot.
people assimilated to society do things out of relation and to be like everyone else. yea they can go crate dig and find different things but thats not how shyt works they aren't going to do that. people who dig for music are people who have a different level of care for art. me and all my friends who make music have the same level of care for music our loved ones do not. my people can't understand why i have 300 vinyl records of artist they never heard of.
im cooking in the kitchen listening to bluebucksclan and my homie who only listens to the radio questions why i never listen to people he heard of. its weird and the unknown makes people uncomfortable. me personally idgaf. regular people do not want to seem like outcast so they listen to whatever everyone else do.
if you are smart you know this is simple psychology . majority of people do not wanna be different. thats why people want more diversity so other sounds and styles have a chance to be broadcast. look up an episode of 106 and park from 00-03 and hear how different each song on the countdown sounded from each other. that aint possible today because there is one entity (iheart media) curating everything.
but like i said in my post previously this isn't a conspiracy this is a buisiness move. if you wanna be obtuse and not see it thats on you.
I won't insult you back just let your words and your own contradiction expose you
Piff Perkins
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Rap got more melodic and replaced r&b's popularity. What followed was r&b artists attempting to imitate what rap artists were doing, to mixed results. The melodies are simpler and the singing is worse because the vibe is inspired by artists who can't really sing (Drake, Future, etc).
I don't buy this idea that "society" sees love as week. Pop music is full of love songs. Country music is full of love songs. Rap wise, Drake been crooning about love forever. If anything the songwriting quality is bad, for the same reason film/tv writing is bad: young people who are regurgitating social media babble onto the written page. So even if it's a love song it's going to be the most basic hashtag shyt imaginable.
I don't buy this idea that "society" sees love as week. Pop music is full of love songs. Country music is full of love songs. Rap wise, Drake been crooning about love forever. If anything the songwriting quality is bad, for the same reason film/tv writing is bad: young people who are regurgitating social media babble onto the written page. So even if it's a love song it's going to be the most basic hashtag shyt imaginable.
Nothing I mean look who is fighting to save it...it's not the youth. Accept our time has passed. We are old heads trying to be taste makers for a time that doesn't relate to our vision of sound. Every generation since modern recorded music went thru some version of this. The difference is the lack.of maturing spaces for old heads. Trying to place ourselves next to teens and young adults as a priority in broadcast. Some of the music we identify with will make it but most wont.T&B
Besides being more visible, what else do you think could help the dope modern R&B acts resonate with mainstream?
Look at country. A music with a culture that is insular and the traditions don't break fast but also the music does not innovate often. The fans don't care much to waiver. Black music has always prided itself in looking forward and being progressive. We are trying to fight back a tidal wave by throwing cups of water back into the ocean.
R&B soul and complimentary music need it's own space not to try and compete in popular spaces. There's enough old heads looking for familiar music but there has not been a defined space for sounds that cater to them in the digital era as we have aged out of the popular avenues. A lot of our generation still never made the move to streaming platforms and it shows in the stats.
African Peasant
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You're not demonstrating that we live in a paradise were market forces are "pure".With receipts.
When Drake was coming to the game there was a big buzz in the industry about the changing of the guard for gatekeepers. This was more than 10 years ago. Singles were charting without radio play...radio was scared. Mixtape albums were the buzz. For the first time in recorded music history Technology had advanced to the point where recording had no large barrier of entry. No longer did artists need to borrow large sums of money for a studio budget and be forced to cater a sound to a label.
The game was wide open. There was a major following on his decision to stay independent or sign. He chose cash money. But still the future had arrived. All digital end to end process. No longer do you have to pay to press albums and use a label for a distro budget or a recording budget. Labels stopped developing artists and started scouting on social. The new metrics were your following and buzz for a signing. Instead of A&R's going thru demos labeld wanted to see your digital footprint. Enter today... The playlists become as important as radio countdowns used to be. That's the new avenue for the old guard. Outside of that artists can thrive but fans are still incredibly sheeple largely sticking to playlists over exploring.
You guys always use outdated information and apply it to the modern music scene in these discussions. I give receipts. People would rather be disingenuous and advance old arguments rather than look at the modern musical landscape and address it as it it instead of was. Because blaming the system is always easier. But on so many fronts in society those arguments are no longer valid
Out of 20 biggest artists today, how many are independent?
Aight... I got my coffee, shytted for an hour, and washed my ass to come back into this thread as an R and B head. Here's my take on this subject...
I hate this movement where a producer or singer from back in the days makes up every excuse in the book, due to the genre being in the bad state of affairs. Missy could have said fukk this and kept pushing the envelope with making sure R and B is strong, spiritual, and black like how it used to be. Instead, she was on her thin B Girl shyt while Tweet and em were flopping off the second LP.
Same goes with Jill Scott and em throwing Neo Soul in the bushes, despite it being a powerful movement and a last stance for the soul of R and B to thrive. It's amazing how once folks get the money and disappear...they come out of the woodwork when the game is directed by Gen Z zombies, sex-crazed birds, K-pop singers that realize that black folks not using R and B properly anymore, and cacs that are a decade late, yet managed to make the shyt sound smooth af (Yebba, Moonchild, etc).
We got ourselves to blame for this nonsense because we didn't lockjaw the direction of R and B. We allowed these goofies to infiltrate and ruin the soulful sound, and we became complacent during a era that actually was thriving.
Musiq dumb ass wanted to be a rapper and destroyed his capabilities as a singer. He came back with a banger, but the damage was already done because he will be known as the Husel.
Then you have poor saps like Eric Roberson, PJ Morton, etc doing the lord's work, but I got to dig through endless bullshyt just to listen to them.
Honestly, R and B was doom to fail from the start because the love ran out. From Temptations battling a drug ridden Ruffin to drill rappers crooning about oops in the booth.
Hell, Sam Cooke died trying to get some cooter....it's a weird double edge sword that ended up stabbing the genre to death. All we have is memories and hopes for better days. We went from embracing the quiet storm to dealing with eternal heatwaves
I hate this movement where a producer or singer from back in the days makes up every excuse in the book, due to the genre being in the bad state of affairs. Missy could have said fukk this and kept pushing the envelope with making sure R and B is strong, spiritual, and black like how it used to be. Instead, she was on her thin B Girl shyt while Tweet and em were flopping off the second LP.
Same goes with Jill Scott and em throwing Neo Soul in the bushes, despite it being a powerful movement and a last stance for the soul of R and B to thrive. It's amazing how once folks get the money and disappear...they come out of the woodwork when the game is directed by Gen Z zombies, sex-crazed birds, K-pop singers that realize that black folks not using R and B properly anymore, and cacs that are a decade late, yet managed to make the shyt sound smooth af (Yebba, Moonchild, etc).
We got ourselves to blame for this nonsense because we didn't lockjaw the direction of R and B. We allowed these goofies to infiltrate and ruin the soulful sound, and we became complacent during a era that actually was thriving.
Musiq dumb ass wanted to be a rapper and destroyed his capabilities as a singer. He came back with a banger, but the damage was already done because he will be known as the Husel.
Then you have poor saps like Eric Roberson, PJ Morton, etc doing the lord's work, but I got to dig through endless bullshyt just to listen to them.
Honestly, R and B was doom to fail from the start because the love ran out. From Temptations battling a drug ridden Ruffin to drill rappers crooning about oops in the booth.
Hell, Sam Cooke died trying to get some cooter....it's a weird double edge sword that ended up stabbing the genre to death. All we have is memories and hopes for better days. We went from embracing the quiet storm to dealing with eternal heatwaves
You have to remember the generational disconnect. From the 50s to the early 2000s there was musical harmony within R&B. Spearheaded by the black church. Early 2000s, black people started saying fck church and them old singers and went another direction. Now we're here..
JayStarwind
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Maybe I'm reading this wrong, so are you saying R&B/Soul is old music now?
I don't necessarily need or want mainstream R&B to align with what I'm used to hearing.
DetroitEWarren
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Jasmine is one of the best R&B artist of this generation, and Jasmine has actually had a lot of somgs on the radio.