DACA - DREAM ACT - Immigration Reform Thread

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We had this debate once on SOHH and I understand where you're coming from. I van vouch for this idea by Obama, but I also have no problem whatsoever with the fact that he's deported more people than anyone else. People without immigrants in their family sometimes just don't get how much of a slap in the face hearing that amnesty would be given to all these people when others had family members that had through sit through civil wars and wait on lotteries for the chance to get in. Meanwhile, they also had to be at least high school educated. There was a control process to the the type of immigrant that could get in. It was annoying to hear people complain and call you racist when many central American countries have tougher immigration policies than the United States. All for merely pointing that out. I think people divorced from having family members that you've been hoping to get over the United States for nearly a decade just don't get it.

I know too many people close to that situation. But I hold nothing against people in my age group, and I understand a man wanting a better life for his family. It's always and always will be difficult for me to be mad at any of those people when I meet them face to face. I don't have that gene in me. But let's not pretend that some non-racist people who are sons, daughters, sisters, brothers, and cousins of other immigrants don't have a legitimate reason to feel some kind of way. Let's be realistic, there won't be some massive effort to deport the parents of people who are given legal status. So while I supported the Dream Act and I support this, I have trouble figuring out how I feel overall that in the end the luck of the draw of being born conveniently located near the United States is why my friend's cousin gets to stay and my cousin had to grow up with and be tempted by rebels and child soldiers.

I just don't know.

Brother TWISM has good intentions in his belief. He feels that illegals will tie up the labor market and educational opportunities for African Americans, which is highly misguided logic and rationale.

 

[No1]

Brother TWISM has good intentions in his belief. He feels that illegals will tie up the labor market and educational opportunities for African Americans, which is highly misguided logic and rationale.

Well that's just wrong.

 

[The Real]

The thought of the job market as a zero-sum game where more (former) undocumented people with jobs means less "real" Americans have them is very simplistic and doesn't address the elephant in the room that is always ignored in this discussion (mainly because it's convenient for the people deploying the rhetoric to ignore it): the scarcity is largely artificial, and the product of a lot of anti-market corporatism. If people turned their anger towards these forces, which are much more influential and directly responsible for any of the problems that are wrongly relegated solely to undocumented people, the larger debate would lose almost all of its tension, because the economy and the job market would easily be able to support all the illegals here now if it were dealt with, and that has nothing to do with whether or not they should be granted amnesty, deported, etc.

The immigration as it exists now is more of a battleground for campaign money and political capital, not for much that's actually substantial (which is not to take away from the DREAM Act and its positive effects.)

 

[Trip]

couldnt he have done this two years ago....seems pretty transparent

 

[GzUp]

Obama instantly won the Latino vote.

 

[DalMem]

Obama instantly won the Latino vote.

Too bad Latino don't vote.

They have worse voting turnouts than blacks.

Obama must know Romney can't beat him or he's one of the dumbest President in history.

I have been a Obama supporter until now. He haven't done shyt for black people. shyt on real, black people was better off when Bush was in Office.

 

[No1]

Too bad Latino don't vote.

They have worse voting turnouts than blacks.

Obama must know Romney can't beat him or he's one of the dumbest President in history.

I have been a Obama supporter until now. He haven't done shyt for black people. shyt on real, black people was better off when Bush was in Office.

Obama does stuff for black people low key. Like increasing funding for HBCUs.

 

[The Real]

Too bad Latino don't vote.

They have worse voting turnouts than blacks.

Obama must know Romney can't beat him or he's one of the dumbest President in history.

I have been a Obama supporter until now. He haven't done shyt for black people. shyt on real, black people was better off when Bush was in Office.

 

[DalMem]

Obama does stuff for black people low key. Like increasing funding for HBCUs.

That bullshyt.

Study show that more black college students graduate from PWI's than HBCU's. So the fund is only helping out a minority of black college graduates.

 

[No1]

That bullshyt.

Study show that more black college students graduate from PWI's than HBCU's. So the fund is only helping out a minority of black college graduates.

Well, no shyt. Do you think Obama could straight up say the federal government is only going to increase federal aid to black people or is he going to increase it for lower-income people that are disproportionately black and latino? Mind you, increasing funding to HBCUs helps almost exclusively black people. Go sit down. Ol' I need you have a black state of the union ass dude.

 

[jfkennedy]

It's crazy the entitlement of some Americans. They don't want to do the jobs that these people are more than willing to do, yet they say they're taking jobs away from them. Crazy.

And in a lot of these cases, these students are GREAT students, do amazing in school... why wouldn't we want them to be integrated into our workforce?

 

[DalMem]

Well, no shyt. Do you think Obama could straight up say the federal government is only going to increase federal aid to black people or is he going to increase it for lower-income people that are disproportionately black and latino? Mind you, increasing funding to HBCUs helps almost exclusively black people. Go sit down. Ol' I need you have a black state of the union ass dude.

While he increase federal aid, black people unemployment rate has slip into the great depression era. fukk aid people need jobs. That aid can't help unemployed black people feed their families.

I used to say Travis Smiley was bytching, but now I see where he is coming from.

 

[DalMem]

It's crazy the entitlement of some Americans. They don't want to do the jobs that these people are more than willing to do, yet they say they're taking jobs away from them. Crazy.

And in a lot of these cases, these students are GREAT students, do amazing in school... why wouldn't we want them to be integrated into our workforce?

Stop the bullshyt.

I see rednecks and poor black people do those same jobs. They hire them because companies are less liable for a non-citizen.

 

[DalMem]

90's was the greatest era for a black person in America and black people will never see that great of an era again.

 

[No1]

90's was the greatest era for a black person in America and black people will never see that great of an era again.

So how does that equate to Bush being better than Obama when all that progress was lost during his 8 years?