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So how does that equate to Bush being better than Obama when all that progress was lost during his 8 years? :wtf:

Yeah, but it have gotten worse under Obama.

I didn't expect for him to be such a p*ssy.

At first I didn't care. Now he doing everything for other people, but black people. The Republicans got him scared to do anything for black people.
 

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We had this debate once on SOHH and I understand where you're coming from. I van vouch for this idea by Obama, but I also have no problem whatsoever with the fact that he's deported more people than anyone else. People without immigrants in their family sometimes just don't get how much of a slap in the face hearing that amnesty would be given to all these people when others had family members that had through sit through civil wars and wait on lotteries for the chance to get in. Meanwhile, they also had to be at least high school educated. There was a control process to the the type of immigrant that could get in. It was annoying to hear people complain and call you racist when many central American countries have tougher immigration policies than the United States. All for merely pointing that out. I think people divorced from having family members that you've been hoping to get over the United States for nearly a decade just don't get it.

I know too many people close to that situation. But I hold nothing against people in my age group, and I understand a man wanting a better life for his family. It's always and always will be difficult for me to be mad at any of those people when I meet them face to face. I don't have that gene in me. But let's not pretend that some non-racist people who are sons, daughters, sisters, brothers, and cousins of other immigrants don't have a legitimate reason to feel some kind of way. Let's be realistic, there won't be some massive effort to deport the parents of people who are given legal status. So while I supported the Dream Act and I support this, I have trouble figuring out how I feel overall that in the end the luck of the draw of being born conveniently located near the United States is why my friend's cousin gets to stay and my cousin had to grow up with and be tempted by rebels and child soldiers.

I just don't know.

its pretty simple how to decide, you seperate politcal refugees and economic refugees

if somebody thinks they will be killed if they return to their country then they should apply for asylum, now if you show me evidence that the asylum system is broken and this order is a way to get around that then i wouldnt have a problem with it

but the reality is 99 percent of the people in the immigration system are simply economic refugees, the world is not going to end and their life will not be threatened if they get sent back

i dont have any beef with the people themselves, but the rule of law supersedes emotion

i predict nothing good will come from this, this in no way solves the problem and it pretty much guarantees that there will never be any immigration reform and it encourages more people to try their luck in jumping the line
 

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Brother TWISM has good intentions in his belief. He feels that illegals will tie up the labor market and educational opportunities for African Americans, which is highly misguided logic and rationale.


thats just a side issue, and their are other sides issues including the fact that black africans and black caribbeans who tend to wait at the embassy are getting screwed and the fact that most immigrants come from countries with highly racist anti black cultures

but those are side issues, the main issue is the rule of law, not just here but all over the world, the rule of law is one the pillars of prosperity and when you lose that you lose the basic of what makes a country prosper, thats why i defend isreal deporting african refugees also
 

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Stop the bullshyt.

I see rednecks and poor black people do those same jobs. They hire them because companies are less liable for a non-citizen.

Not everywhere, and not always. And in some states there are laws that punish businesses for hiring illegals.

Why Americans won't do dirty jobs - Business - US business - Bloomberg Businessweek - msnbc.com

Truth of the matter is, a lot of Americans won't do work that they feel is below them. How many people say things like, "I'll never work in fast food." I won't lie, I've said that myself. Some Americans just won't do certain jobs, especially if the benefits are little to none.
 

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thats just a side issue, and their are other sides issues including the fact that black africans and black caribbean who tend to wait at the embassy are getting screwed and the fact that most immigrants come from countries with highly racist anti black cultures

but those are side issues, the main issue is the rule of law not just here but all over the world, the rule of law is one the pillars of prosperity and when you lose that you lose the basic of what makes a country prosper, thats why i defend isreal deporting african refugees also

Exactly
 

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Not everywhere, and not always. And in some states there are laws that punish businesses for hiring illegals.

Why Americans won't do dirty jobs - Business - US business - Bloomberg Businessweek - msnbc.com

Truth of the matter is, a lot of Americans won't do work that they feel is below them. How many people say things like, "I'll never work in fast food." I won't lie, I've said that myself. Some Americans just won't do certain jobs, especially if the benefits are little to none.

these 2 ideas are not mutually exclusive, illegal immigrants do both, they take jobs from americans AND they also do jobs that americans wont do

as the illegal immigration population has grown they have started moving away from agriculture jobs and into regular factory, professional and retail jobs

everytime the government does paperwork raids into places with good jobs they end up firing illegals and hiring americans, so its not true that illegals are just doing jobs americans wont do, thats only half the story

here is an example of illegal taking jobs that american supposedly wont do, apparently americans dont want good paying jobs in a steel factory
Pacific Steel forced to lay off 200 workers due to ICE raid | abc7news.com
 

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Everytime I hear some idiot say that "Obama hasn't done shyt for black people", I simply ask for examples of what he should've done. Of course, I usually get blank stares and incoherent shyt.
It seems that some folks actually think that he should've literally put money in their pockets, created thousands of companies specifically for blacks and written off whatever debts they had...
Like some superhero black dictator in a white-majority country with a 90+ percent white Congress :rudy:
 

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Anyone opposed to this a homosexual.

Obama shares my dream of guapa latin teens everwhere


Two Dominican chicks on deck right now. :eat:


God bless the Obama family .


He's making my dreams a reality. I salute him.
 

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thats just a side issue, and their are other sides issues including the fact that black africans and black caribbeans who tend to wait at the embassy are getting screwed and the fact that most immigrants come from countries with highly racist anti black cultures

but those are side issues, the main issue is the rule of law, not just here but all over the world, the rule of law is one the pillars of prosperity and when you lose that you lose the basic of what makes a country prosper, thats why i defend isreal deporting african refugees also

Cosign the whole post especially the bolded. A lot of Latin America still has a Jim Crow mentality, so as a black man it's hard for me to welcome in millions of people that have ingrained negative attitudes towards blacks. If we're keeping it honest, no other immigrant group has had it easier than Latin Americans. Asians, Africans, Europeans etc. really have to put in work to adhere to American ideology (especially by learning english), but the system is set up much easier for Latin Americans. They've kinda become spoiled with it. Even to the point where if somebody dares to bring up the thought of deportations, Latinos go marching in the street and are like, "Deport? :wtf: Deport us??" If 12 million illegal Africans were in the US (or anywhere in Latin America), those nikkas would be put on a boat and shipped back home with no questions asked. Obama would be sittin' there like :mjpls: while the rest of the country applauded his efforts to ship out those job stealin' Africans that refuse to assimilate into American culture.



My beef with illegal immigration is not really about job-stealin and whatnot; its more social than economic. My beef is this uncontrolloble urge a lot of Latinos seem to have in which they want to make shyt into a Hispanic vs. Black thing. How the fukk will the country ever be unified and ever reach its full potential with this petty mentality? Unity in diversity is a good concept, but it will not work in the face of over-zealous ethnic pride, which itself is precursor towards racism. And :snoop: at anybody that thinks Obama gives a shyt about Blacks or Latinos. Dude is a politician, and a politician's primary concern is to stay in power no matter what. The American public gets :troll: daily by these people. The revolution is coming soon tho :boss:
 

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Everytime I hear some idiot say that "Obama hasn't done shyt for black people", I simply ask for examples of what he should've done. Of course, I usually get blank stares and incoherent shyt.
It seems that some folks actually think that he should've literally put money in their pockets, created thousands of companies specifically for blacks and written off whatever debts they had...
Like some superhero black dictator in a white-majority country with a 90+ percent white Congress :rudy:


I think black folks just want :obama: to acknowledge that there's still a lot of injustice in the country and we still have a long ways to go :yeshrug: He tends to brush over those issues. He obviously can't just give mandates that will specifically help black folks (although he seemed to just do that for Latinos :wtb:), but I just think black folks want some attention given to the problems that affect the community, even if he doesn't manually do much about them.
But once again :yeshrug:
 
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:comeon:At the comments below the story

Obama grants legal status to young illegal immigrants - Washington Times
These people mad that Obama amnestied 1,000,000 illegal immigrants when Reagan amnestied 3,000,000 illegal immigrants during his presidency


Any black agenda would just put black people in the crosshairs of the republican party and their associates. It would actually be more helpful for him not to pay attention to blacks so that the CBC can sneak some stuff in to these bills under the radar like they did with the stimulus.
 

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wow at the comments is right


Talking about gun grabs, the UN, typical racist nonsense blah blah blah.
 

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wow at the comments is right


Talking about gun grabs, the UN, typical racist nonsense blah blah blah.

im not co-signing white american racism but immigrants from south america and mexico are just as racist against black people as any white american, ask trayvon martin
 

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im not co-signing white american racism but immigrants from south america and mexico are just as racist against black people as any white american, ask trayvon martin

Pretty random rant. What do latin people allegedly being racist have to do with immigration?
I take it you mean since they are racist they shouldn't be naturalized?
Something has to be done. Personally I never saw illegal immigrants as an important issue...
And the way congress and our political spectrum is it will probably never be resolved.
It's another stupid issue people like to wave around like gay marriage.
 
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