Dame Dash on the BreakFast Club this morning, nikka angry for no reason

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whether you are Bill Gates or you flip burgers at Mcdonalds .... If you get up in the morning go to work to provide for your family THATS WHAT MAKES YOU MAN.... I find it ironic that this idiot whose entire fortune was seeded by the proceeds of crime would shyt on honest people .....is this what he really wants to teach the youth? because that is the message this idiot is conveying, that its better to be a self employed drug dealer than an honest employee...

Any smart business advisor will tell you that If possible you never risk your own money to start a business, the truth is most businesses fail and its better to lose someone elses money than your own...
look at Trump, look at Richard Branson, their entire fortunes were built on borrowing , investment or financing..... If you look at Branson in a lot of his companies hes not even a major shareholder....the richest black man in the world Dangote got a loan to build an oil refinery.... using other peoples money minimises your own personal exposure If things go belly up....maybe If Dame wasnt "putting money into all my businesses" he would have some money ...

my personal feeling is that he couldnt attract any type of financing which is why he had to end up using his own money

I'm gonna expand on this point a bit because I really think some people have to get this concept. I'm gonna go back to the scenario with someone who wants to start a business with $50,000 and show you what happens in the most simple of scenarios.

Scenario A: I put up $50,000 to start my own business and it tanks.

Well, once that $50,000 is gone - you have to survive. This means you have to pay rent, you have to pay for food, and you also need to find a new job that brings in steady pay. If all you have is that $50,000 you are pretty much fukked. There is no credit protection or bankruptcy case to save you when the bill collectors start calling. If things get really bad you might have to use cash advances on credit cards (among the worst ways to borrow money) and you're now leveraging debt with even more debt and neither one of them are increasing your cash flow. In short - you are fukked. It takes a lot of discipline, planning, and if you don't have a great source of income, years to escape this hole.

Scenario B: I borrow $50,000 (loan) to start my business and it tanks

Well, crap - we've lost somebody else's money. This isn't a good thing but it isn't the end of the world. Firstly because the loan payments are spread out. We may have lost $50,000 but from month to month if we can scrape up the balance of the loan (say $1,000 or so) we can keep our head above water. Even better - we still have our original $50,000 - we can just pay back a huge portion of the principal + all the interest. If we don't want to we've done our homework and know this loan will cost us X amount in Y years. As long as we get a job that can pay off the interest in reasonable time we are fine (remember how loans work, once you pay off the interest it's just principal and loan payments get smaller as time goes on assuming it's standard).

But, wait there's more. If we somehow don't have our $50,000 most legit loan companies will negotiate with you. They'll do things like lower the interest rate, stretch out payments, ask for something else as collateral, might even take $30,000 of your 50k up front and work it out then - they want their money, not to bankrupt you so you can't pay anything at all. It may cost you more than the 50k in the long run and take some time but chances are you'll be able to survive compared to someone who lost 50k of their own money. Most of your actual assets were never at risk and if they were you have some degree of control in how to get value out of them.

Notice in scenario B there isn't an immediate risk of ruin. That's why people borrow other people's money - even if shyt goes bad they'll have time on their side to pay it back. This doesn't even touch on borrowing that 50k for a loan and using your original 50k to invest somewhere else and use that to pay off the loan. If you want to be your own boss then learn how those that did it actually stayed that way. Some people can start a business with their own money and make it, but trust me when I say they are in the vast minority and it's pretty much the path of most resistance. Work smarter before you work harder.
 

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I'm gonna expand on this point a bit because I really think some people have to get this concept. I'm gonna go back to the scenario with someone who wants to start a business with $50,000 and show you what happens in the most simple of scenarios.

Scenario A: I put up $50,000 to start my own business and it tanks.

Well, once that $50,000 is gone - you have to survive. This means you have to pay rent, you have to pay for food, and you also need to find a new job that brings in steady pay. If all you have is that $50,000 you are pretty much fukked. There is no credit protection or bankruptcy case to save you when the bill collectors start calling. If things get really bad you might have to use cash advances on credit cards (among the worst ways to borrow money) and you're now leveraging debt with even more debt and neither one of them are increasing your cash flow. In short - you are fukked. It takes a lot of discipline, planning, and if you don't have a great source of income, years to escape this hole.

Scenario B: I borrow $50,000 (loan) to start my business and it tanks

Well, crap - we've lost somebody else's money. This isn't a good thing but it isn't the end of the world. Firstly because the loan payments are spread out. We may have lost $50,000 but from month to month if we can scrape up the balance of the loan (say $1,000 or so) we can keep our head above water. Even better - we still have our original $50,000 - we can just pay back a huge portion of the principal + all the interest. If we don't want to we've done our homework and know this loan will cost us X amount in Y years. As long as we get a job that can pay off the interest in reasonable time we are fine (remember how loans work, once you pay off the interest it's just principal and loan payments get smaller as time goes on assuming it's standard).

But, wait there's more. If we somehow don't have our $50,000 most legit loan companies will negotiate with you. They'll do things like lower the interest rate, stretch out payments, ask for something else as collateral, might even take $30,000 of your 50k up front and work it out then - they want their money, not to bankrupt you so you can't pay anything at all. It may cost you more than the 50k in the long run and take some time but chances are you'll be able to survive compared to someone who lost 50k of their own money. Most of your actual assets were never at risk and if they were you have some degree of control in how to get value out of them.

Notice in scenario B there isn't an immediate risk of ruin. That's why people borrow other people's money - even if shyt goes bad they'll have time on their side to pay it back. This doesn't even touch on borrowing that 50k for a loan and using your original 50k to invest somewhere else and use that to pay off the loan. If you want to be your own boss then learn how those that did it actually stayed that way. Some people can start a business with their own money and make it, but trust me when I say they are in the vast minority and it's pretty much the path of most resistance. Work smarter before you work harder.

This is the problem, very different economy of scale. And yes, people from Chris Lightly to Elon Musk have used millions of their own money. Relating Dames advice and outlook to average Joes is silly. Go check out Suze Orman or something.

Dame Dash's advice is very impractical for the average person on a message board who doesn't even see 30k a year. This shouldn't be a mystery or a huge debate.

I just want him to expose the music biz and shiit on those who are not bosses or doesn't own anything.
 

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This is the problem, very different economy of scale. And yes, people from Chris Lightly to Elon Musk have used millions of their own money. Relating Dames advice and outlook to average Joes is silly. Go check out Suze Orman or something.

Dame Dash's advice is very impractical for the average person on a message board who doesn't even see 30k a year. This shouldn't be a mystery or a huge debate.

I just want him to expose the music biz and shiit on those who are not bosses or doesn't own anything.

There is no "economy of scale" at work here. Large, billion dollar corporations do the same thing. You can go look at Apple, Microsoft and Sony's financial statements from 2014 and you'll see debts on their balance sheets even though they'll have assets valued far more than it. Dame's bad advice would lead to the ruin of a rich person just as quickly as it would for the average joe. If it won't please post some actual information to refute it instead of quoting Suzy Orman who I'm very familiar with and would tell you the same thing.
 

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Dame would be really successful if he took his mentality to a college business campus and learned some of the things he speaks of, because all I heard from his was very RISKY business decisions tbh.
And this is coming from someone that put up $32,000 in penny stocks at one point.
 

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Dame would be really successful if he took his mentality to a college business campus and learned some of the things he speaks of, because all I heard from his was very RISKY business decisions tbh.
And this is coming from someone that put up $32,000 in penny stocks at one point.


How did that work out for you?:leon:
 

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They didn't get loans because they were immigrants. Secondly banks are not the only places to get a loan from. Lending companies do exist, although not the most obvious, that will give people a good deal. The entire example was just to show that most people are not risking their own money up front to start something. The dude was lying or just has zero clue how even the smallest business owner will look to reduce risk and leverage money.

Lending companies are no different than banks. They not giving nobody with trash credit no business loans, unless its a hard money lender and those are short term high interest loans.
 

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I don't think he's broke. Maybe broke compared to Jay but not broke compared to you and me.
He's testified in court that he couldnt pay his rent and was about to get evicted. Even Jim Jones was clowning him a few months ago sayin how he put a car in sumbody name and couldnt make the payments. I think the little bit of money he does make he invests in dead end businesses hoping that one of them will get him rich again
 
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