Damn, Noam Chomsky Just Brilliantly Explained Trump, & American Constituency. Everyone Needs To D

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Y’all know that Chomsky responds to his personal email at MIT, right? :mjgrin:


If you got qualms, take it up with the man himself :ufdup:

(For the record, I know trump conspired and think having a republican investigate him was obviously a mistake).

I got mad respect for Chompsky. Just feel like a lot of the russiagate skeptics on the left be missing the forrest for the trees on this investigation and report.
 

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Everything that comes out of his mouth (and i've been a fan for decades) is not canon.
Why do you even post anymore?

You just copy headlines, like some blogger.
You create no original content.
You’re perpetually the butt of everyone’s jokes and nobody respects your opinion, let alone even bothers to read what you say.

Get a fukkin life, Napoleon. You hypocritical human punching bag. :camby:
 

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Why do you even post anymore?

You just copy headlines, like some blogger.
You create no original content.
You’re perpetually the butt of everyone’s jokes and nobody respects your opinion, let alone even bothers to read what you say.

Get a fukkin life, Napoleon. You hypocritical human punching bag. :camby:
FUCCK NIGGGA WHO ARE YOU? :gucci:

I don't owe you ANYTHING.

As usual, I come in here sharing my opinion...ON TOPIC
...and your dusty broke ass is in here chasing stripes.

Brush your teeth you nasty fukk.

instead of acting like a bitter bytch you on here looking for validation.

Block me and be gone already.

Goddamn you're like the type to pick at your own fukking scabs.

You booger eating son of a bytch :mjlol:

Go make some money today :camby:
 

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FUCCK NIGGGA WHO ARE YOU? :gucci:

I don't owe you ANYTHING.

As usual, I come in here sharing my opinion...ON TOPIC
...and your dusty broke ass is in here chasing stripes.

Brush your teeth you nasty fukk.

instead of acting like a bitter bytch you on here looking for validation.

Block me and be gone already.

Goddamn you're like the type to pick at your own fukking scabs.

You booger eating son of a bytch :mjlol:

Go make some money today :camby:
Dude i don't know u either
But breh has a point
You are like a corporatist john mccain, u r blindly establishment.
You are a seed of neolibs
 

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Dude i don't know u either
But breh has a point
You are like a corporatist john mccain, u r blindly establishment.
You are a seed of neolibs
hey, this is a thread about noam chomsky. Hit me in my DMs.

stop derailing threads with personal attacks.

Otherwise i'm forced to respond to your fukkshyt.

Stop with this goofy shyt.
 

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Not to try and schill for the Democratic party or anything but his take on Russiagate was off base for a couple of reasons:

1. He frames the Russiagate issue as simple political gamesmanship by the Democrats. While Im sure the Democrats loved and were hoping to use the controversy for political aims, this goes beyond competitive politics. If there was reason to believe that Trump did conspire or intended to conspire with an operation aimed towards allowing a foreign entity to influence the election, then that is something worth investigating and it is the duty of elected representatives to look into. There was way to much smoke on the Trump campaign to not investigate and if we were in a different less partisan era maybe the Republicans would have been more cooperative as they were during Watergate with Nixon.

2. He makes it seem like it was a longshot to suggest Trump conspired with the Russians when in fact it seemed more than likely given the fact that it was proven Russia did try to and that Trump campaign official met with Russian operatives with the attempt to receive their help and then later lied about meeting with them. There was enough smoke to ask for an investigation.

3. Comparing Nethanyahu's unannounced visit to Congress with the covert sophisticated operation that the Russian's used is reaching hard body. I dont think Russia's actions had a major effect on the election but the fact that they have developed an apparatus to try and influence elections and that the current president was aiding and abetting that is nothing to sneeze at.

4. The idea I've seen from Chompsky and other russiagate skeptics on the left that Democrats and the media only focused on Russiagate is unfounded and completely dishonest to me. While, everyone has their own opinions about how much attention a certain issue should get I think its dishonest to say that things like The Wall, Child Separstion, the Migrant Caravans, the Muslim Ban, North Korea, Venezuela, haven't been reported or gotten attention. The reason why Russiagate seems to be the most concurrent story is simple:
a) Its was an investigation so there's always a slow drip of inforrmation that comes out.
b) Trump added to the story each day cuz he kept obstructing justice and doing so in a way that waa so open and unconstitutional.

5) The idea that the findings of no conspiracy probably gifted Trump the election is such a narrow interpretation of the findings and dont reflect what we've seen in the polls where his approval rating dropped 5 points and is at the lowest its been. Thats despite all the propaganda and spin the president's done about how this report exonerates him. The reason why is because while the report doesnt prove that they took part in any actions with the Russians it shows that he woulda been more than willing to accept info that woulda been helpful and do everything in his power to disrupt a legal investigation.
This sums up perfectly my criticisms of his framing of the "RussiaGate" investigation.

While I respect his views on most subjects he's spoken on (on a surface-level, at least), he seems to be immensely out of his depth when it comes to the issue w/ Russia's interference w/ the election. I can't imagine he'd have the same viewpoint regarding Clinton and Nixon's abuse of power to hide their crimes.
 

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Noam Goatsky is falling off in his old age. :manny:
This isn't wrong.
Hearing him talk about "safe spaces" and political correctness is also pretty cringeworthy; he's been parroting a lot of his earlier seamless positions and just attempting to juxtapose them w/ current situations which require much more nuance. It overall makes me want to hear him less currently.

I'll listen and read his earlier stuff, its pretty on point 99% of the time.
 

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This sums up perfectly my criticisms of his framing of the "RussiaGate" investigation.

While I respect his views on most subjects he's spoken on (on a surface-level, at least), he seems to be immensely out of his depth when it comes to the issue w/ Russia's interference w/ the election. I can't imagine he'd have the same viewpoint regarding Clinton and Nixon's abuse of power to hide their crimes.
The problem with Chomsky on this issue is that he's generally anti-america

Thats the problem with a lot of the left wing skeptics like Greenwald, Taibbi, Tracey Aaron Mate, and Jimmy Dore. They're SO focused on the anti-imperialist project that they don't understand how actual national security works when there's an overt threat to American democracy. They even excuse it because "we do it elsewhere"

They don't "GET IT"

Theres teams forming and they think we live in a world with no enemies.
Not to try and schill for the Democratic party or anything but his take on Russiagate was off base for a couple of reasons:

1. He frames the Russiagate issue as simple political gamesmanship by the Democrats. While Im sure the Democrats loved and were hoping to use the controversy for political aims, this goes beyond competitive politics. If there was reason to believe that Trump did conspire or intended to conspire with an operation aimed towards allowing a foreign entity to influence the election, then that is something worth investigating and it is the duty of elected representatives to look into. There was way to much smoke on the Trump campaign to not investigate and if we were in a different less partisan era maybe the Republicans would have been more cooperative as they were during Watergate with Nixon.

2. He makes it seem like it was a longshot to suggest Trump conspired with the Russians when in fact it seemed more than likely given the fact that it was proven Russia did try to and that Trump campaign official met with Russian operatives with the attempt to receive their help and then later lied about meeting with them. There was enough smoke to ask for an investigation.

3. Comparing Nethanyahu's unannounced visit to Congress with the covert sophisticated operation that the Russian's used is reaching hard body. I dont think Russia's actions had a major effect on the election but the fact that they have developed an apparatus to try and influence elections and that the current president was aiding and abetting that is nothing to sneeze at.

4. The idea I've seen from Chompsky and other russiagate skeptics on the left that Democrats and the media only focused on Russiagate is unfounded and completely dishonest to me. While, everyone has their own opinions about how much attention a certain issue should get I think its dishonest to say that things like The Wall, Child Separstion, the Migrant Caravans, the Muslim Ban, North Korea, Venezuela, haven't been reported or gotten attention. The reason why Russiagate seems to be the most concurrent story is simple:
a) Its was an investigation so there's always a slow drip of inforrmation that comes out.
b) Trump added to the story each day cuz he kept obstructing justice and doing so in a way that waa so open and unconstitutional.

5) The idea that the findings of no conspiracy probably gifted Trump the election is such a narrow interpretation of the findings and dont reflect what we've seen in the polls where his approval rating dropped 5 points and is at the lowest its been. Thats despite all the propaganda and spin the president's done about how this report exonerates him. The reason why is because while the report doesnt prove that they took part in any actions with the Russians it shows that he woulda been more than willing to accept info that woulda been helpful and do everything in his power to disrupt a legal investigation.
what I hate is this notion that there was "no evidence"

its complete bullshyt

thats like saying: "Every incident of a cop getting off for police brutality means nothing wrong occurred"

By that notion, R Kelly did not sleep with a 14 year old.

I mean you can continue down this road.

Sometimes, justice fails to meet its own standards.

People gotta start asking themselves: "What do I know?" versus "What can I prove?"

AND WE KNOW MUELLER HAS CLASSIFIED EVIDENCE HE CAN'T USE. Thats why parallel reconstruction of evidence is used!

Parallel construction - Wikipedia

Dark Side | Secret Origins of Evidence in US Criminal Cases






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