Damon Dash: Jay-Z ruined Roc-a-Fella (Responds to Bleek's Drink Champs Clip)

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man Dame has done a lot. People try to define him by Hov but he put on so many more cats than just Hov.
name someone he crafted...
...or a business that he grew since Roc.

Kanye/Kevin Hart arent Dame creations...those dudes grinded and made their own way.

Im not a Dame hater...but he needs to be more self aware.
If he could slow down, admit some of his fuk ups, and be just a tad bit humble he would be able to come back...but nobody is going to give someone like him the time of day.
 

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name someone he crafted...
...or a business that he grew since Roc.

Kanye/Kevin Hart arent Dame creations...those dudes grinded and made their own way.

Im not a Dame hater...but he needs to be more self aware.
If he could slow down, admit some of his fuk ups, and be just a tad bit humble he would be able to come back...but nobody is going to give someone like him the time of day.

nikka Dame signed Kanye as a rapper when everyone was laughing behind Kanye's back whenever he rapped. Kanye himself said he felt bad for siding with Jay because of everything Dame did for him. FOH with that shyt.

And like @WeeBey Brice said....Kevin Hart got his first starring role from Dame.

Did Dame "create" these guys? No, nobody is "created" by someone else unless they're a fully manufactured industry plant, and who knows if those really even exist. But Dame was the FIRST person to give them a shot, and that means something.

State Property AND Dipset popularity was due to Dame, PERIOD. State Property having a clothing line and 2 movies is because of Dame.

Paid in Full, hood classic film, is because of Dame.

Does Jay-Z even start Roc-A-Wear if Dame isn't behind the scenes pushing so hard to diversify???

As since the Roc ended, Dame helped Rachel Roy do her clothing line. It sold for quite a lot. He also helped Curren$y advance his career (and then failed to pay him LOL)

Also, Dame's son is in his 20s and he's doing business as well. Not in music but i think food industry. Dame and his family are straight hustlers, period. Its beyond music, they're just business nikkas all around. His brothers, cousins, they all do business.

As far as Dame making a comeback, who knows if he even WANTS a comeback? He's pretty open that he doesn't fukk with labels or corporations, so he's going indie all the way no matter what he does. Im sure Dame knows he can't have another big rapper that way, so it is what it is.

We all know Dame and how his attitude fukked things up. Im not denying that. But to act like he didn't do nothing but piggy back of Jay, thats nonsense. Hov was struggling to find a fukking deal for years before Dame and Biggs put up the cash. U think Hov wanted to be 27 when his first album dropped? Doubt it.
 
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name someone he crafted...
...or a business that he grew since Roc.

Kanye/Kevin Hart arent Dame creations...those dudes grinded and made their own way.

Im not a Dame hater...but he needs to be more self aware.
If he could slow down, admit some of his fuk ups, and be just a tad bit humble he would be able to come back...but nobody is going to give someone like him the time of day.

Jay-Z didn't like or want Kanye around. So if Dame Dash didn't either= No Kanye. How do you grind with no platform to grind on?
 

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name someone he crafted...
...or a business that he grew since Roc.

Kanye/Kevin Hart arent Dame creations...those dudes grinded and made their own way.

Im not a Dame hater...but he needs to be more self aware.
If he could slow down, admit some of his fuk ups, and be just a tad bit humble he would be able to come back...but nobody is going to give someone like him the time of day.

yes, you are a Dame hater

they both grinded but that doesnt matter without a cosign needed to kick down the door

Kanye rants on about that concept in the video below and @ 3:05 he credits Damon giving him the shot he needed



Everyone knows Dame was the driving force behind Roc films. He gave Kevin Hart that shot. Think of how his brother complained to him on that vh1 show, his brother knows Dame is/was a gateway.

Bleek sounded really funny in that interview because at the same Bleek career was over. He was talking like he was happy to end his own career too.

On another note; I agree that Jay-Z ruined Roc-A-Fella. If you look at what happened it comes off as selfish, tbh.

When Dame was at the helm; so many black folks ate. Cant be mad at that.

Even post Roc, Dame played a role in Stalley, Currency, The Black Keys and Lee Daniels.

All Jay-Z had is Rihanna, Jeezy & Ross.

Dame > Jay-Z
 

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yes, you are a Dame hater

they both grinded but that doesnt matter without a cosign needed to kick down the door

Kanye rants on about that concept in the video below and @ 3:05 he credits Damon giving him the shot he needed



Everyone knows Dame was the driving force behind Roc films. He gave Kevin Hart that shot. Think of how his brother complained to him on that vh1 show, his brother knows Dame is/was a gateway.

Bleek sounded really funny in that interview because at the same Bleek career was over. He was talking like he was happy to end his own career too.

On another note; I agree that Jay-Z ruined Roc-A-Fella. If you look at what happened it comes off as selfish, tbh.

When Dame was at the helm; so many black folks ate. Cant be mad at that.

Even post Roc, Dame played a role in Stalley, Currency, The Black Keys and Lee Daniels.

All Jay-Z had is Rihanna, Jeezy & Ross.

Dame > Jay-Z




Exactly. great job on posting the video. Dame didn't just give Kanye his shot, he let him use Jesus Walks as a single:wow:
 

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nikka Dame signed Kanye as a rapper when everyone was laughing behind Kanye's back whenever he rapped. Kanye himself said he felt bad for siding with Jay because of everything Dame did for him. FOH with that shyt.

And like @WeeBey Brice said....Kevin Hart got his first starring role from Dame.

Did Dame "create" these guys? No, nobody is "created" by someone else unless they're a fully manufactured industry plant, and who knows if those really even exist. But Dame was the FIRST person to give them a shot, and that means something.

State Property AND Dipset popularity was due to Dame, PERIOD. State Property having a clothing line and 2 movies is because of Dame.

Paid in Full, hood classic film, is because of Dame.

Does Jay-Z even start Roc-A-Wear if Dame isn't behind the scenes pushing so hard to diversify???

As since the Roc ended, Dame helped Rachel Roy do her clothing line. It sold for quite a lot. He also helped Curren$y advance his career (and then failed to pay him LOL)

Also, Dame's son is in his 20s and he's doing business as well. Not in music but i think food industry. Dame and his family are straight hustlers, period. Its beyond music, they're just business nikkas all around. His brothers, cousins, they all do business.

As far as Dame making a comeback, who knows if he even WANTS a comeback? He's pretty open that he doesn't fukk with labels or corporations, so he's going indie all the way no matter what he does. Im sure Dame knows he can't have another big rapper that way, so it is what it is.

We all know Dame and how his attitude fukked things up. Im not denying that. But to act like he didn't do nothing but piggy back of Jay, thats nonsense. Hov was struggling to find a fukking deal for years before Dame and Biggs put up the cash. U think Hov wanted to be 27 when his first album dropped? Doubt it.
so basically you just said that Dame is the reason for Rocawear and his son has cookies.
Im not saying Dame did nothing...but lets not act like he's some business genius.

If he was some super huslter like you claim...he probably wouldnt be on a reality Tv show right now.
 

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yes, you are a Dame hater

they both grinded but that doesnt matter without a cosign needed to kick down the door

Kanye rants on about that concept in the video below and @ 3:05 he credits Damon giving him the shot he needed



Everyone knows Dame was the driving force behind Roc films. He gave Kevin Hart that shot. Think of how his brother complained to him on that vh1 show, his brother knows Dame is/was a gateway.

Bleek sounded really funny in that interview because at the same Bleek career was over. He was talking like he was happy to end his own career too.

On another note; I agree that Jay-Z ruined Roc-A-Fella. If you look at what happened it comes off as selfish, tbh.

When Dame was at the helm; so many black folks ate. Cant be mad at that.

Even post Roc, Dame played a role in Stalley, Currency, The Black Keys and Lee Daniels.

All Jay-Z had is Rihanna, Jeezy & Ross.

Dame > Jay-Z



All Jay Z had is Rihanna,Jeezy and Ross??

What?....nikka.

This nikka said it like Rihanna ain't put millions of dollars into Jay' s account. Jeezy dropped mad heat with his first 2 album. Ross BEEN dropping heat since 06

This nikka said all he had was Rihanna Jeezy and Ross :mjlol:

Put some respeck on Jay name playboy:birdman:
 

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nikka Dame signed Kanye as a rapper when everyone was laughing behind Kanye's back whenever he rapped. Kanye himself said he felt bad for siding with Jay because of everything Dame did for him. FOH with that shyt.

And like @WeeBey Brice said....Kevin Hart got his first starring role from Dame.

Did Dame "create" these guys? No, nobody is "created" by someone else unless they're a fully manufactured industry plant, and who knows if those really even exist. But Dame was the FIRST person to give them a shot, and that means something.

State Property AND Dipset popularity was due to Dame, PERIOD. State Property having a clothing line and 2 movies is because of Dame.

Paid in Full, hood classic film, is because of Dame.

Does Jay-Z even start Roc-A-Wear if Dame isn't behind the scenes pushing so hard to diversify???

As since the Roc ended, Dame helped Rachel Roy do her clothing line. It sold for quite a lot. He also helped Curren$y advance his career (and then failed to pay him LOL)

Also, Dame's son is in his 20s and he's doing business as well. Not in music but i think food industry. Dame and his family are straight hustlers, period. Its beyond music, they're just business nikkas all around. His brothers, cousins, they all do business.

As far as Dame making a comeback, who knows if he even WANTS a comeback? He's pretty open that he doesn't fukk with labels or corporations, so he's going indie all the way no matter what he does. Im sure Dame knows he can't have another big rapper that way, so it is what it is.

We all know Dame and how his attitude fukked things up. Im not denying that. But to act like he didn't do nothing but piggy back of Jay, thats nonsense. Hov was struggling to find a fukking deal for years before Dame and Biggs put up the cash. U think Hov wanted to be 27 when his first album dropped? Doubt it.
Dame signed everyone, he signed like 1 artist per month 95 % flopped or didn't drop.
He didn't push Kanye, he signed him. Jay let Dame and other executives handle artists signing and other day to day things. Jay was still the person that first invested in Kanye by giving him his first feature in 02, or it dropped the same time as Champions. Jay just signed of, cause as well all know he was the real boss, he and Def Jam.

And Dipsets popularity was due to themselves, dudes or at least Cam was a "star signing". For SP it was due to them being under The Roc and being skilled.


All the talk about Dame is like saying that Jay-z, Dmx and them were hot due to Lyor Cohen. He was an executive not a producer and like any high ranking executive at a hot company he was apart of the success. But some of the hottest executives in the game were on the Roc and at Def Jam as well, cats who are now some of the most respected in the industry. We're talking Julie Greenwald, Lyor Cohen, Kevin Lyles, Kyombo Hiphop, Gee Roberson, Jay Brown, Thomas Lytle, Lenny S, Sean Pecas, La Reid, Kyser, Juan Perez, John Menially and on. Some of which were schooled and signed by Dame.


Cats are trying to credit people too hard, just look at the line up of people do you think they were just sitting around rolling their thumbs? Some of the illest execs in music period, smh.
 
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