Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast

[theworldismine13]

Just because he didn't use a specific example you wanted him to doesn't mean he has a historical blindspot and if you've listened to his "Common sense" podcast you'd know he is very critical of the U.S.

Dan Carlin - Podcasts, Merchandise, Blog, and Community Website

that doesnt contradict me point, and actually nothing you have posted in the last page and half contradicts anything ive said

i think you are confusing my specific criticism was some kind of broad personal attack on him and his career, stop your bombaclot crying

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

im not dissing the podcast, i think its excellent, but im pointing out 2 things about it 1) which was actually the first point i made, that he is wrong about alexander the great being simply a conqueror and not caring about spreading hellenestic culture, in fact alexander's stated goal was to spread hellenestic culture and combine the eastern and western culture to create a greater culture 2) its a bit of cognitive dissonance the way he doesnt mention the fact that all the criticisms he makes of historians paving over dead people applies to the country he was born in

thats it, thats all, i dont need need an explanation of what he really meant by this and that, i know what he meant

Alexander only cared about conquering and bringing honor to his name and family. The spread of hellenistic culture was just a byproduct of the slaughter and conquest. And by the end of his life he actually adopted many Persian customs. His main goal was to just Conquer.

I'm just gonna leave #2 alone since we'll never agree.

 

[theworldismine13]

Alexander only cared about conquering and bringing honor to his name and family. The spread of hellenistic culture was just a byproduct of the slaughter and conquest. And by the end of his life he actually adopted many Persian customs. His main goal was to just Conquer.

I'm just gonna leave [URL=http://www.the-coli.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] alone since we'll never agree.

http://www.lmoskal.net/worldhistory/whtext/ch05/5.5.pdf

Alexander’s ambitions were cultural as well as military
and political. During his wars of conquest, he actively sought to meld the
conquered culture with that of the Greeks.

this is just from a quick google search, but any reading of alexander the great always points out that spreading hellenestic culture was an explicit goal of his and, not simply a byproduct and he wanted to unite eastern and western cultures that is why he took up eastern customs

so it is incorrect to describe the spread of hellenestic culture under and after alexander as simply a byproduct

#2 is very obvious once its pointed out, trying to explain what he "really meant" isnt going to counter the point ive made

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

that doesnt contradict me point, and actually nothing you have posted in the last page and half contradicts anything ive said

i think you are confusing my specific criticism was some kind of broad personal attack on him and his career, stop your bombaclot crying

So he's critical about the U.S. but experiences cognitive dissonance in regards to the death's it took to build america? I don't think him not mentioning it is a sign of anything other than it wasn't the first thing to come to him while recording the podcast. He was talking about the mongols, so it kind of makes sense that more ancient cultures would be the first to come to his mind.

And it would help if you provided specific examples with quotes to explain your points. He mentioned Washington once in the first episode of wrath of the khans but there is 6+ hours of talking, it's kinda hard to try to listen for that shyt when I have no idea what part it happens in.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

http://www.lmoskal.net/worldhistory/whtext/ch05/5.5.pdf


this is just from a quick google search, but any reading of alexander the great always points out that spreading hellenestic culture was an explicit goal of his and, not simply a byproduct and he wanted to unite eastern and western cultures that is why he took up eastern customs

so it is incorrect to describe the spread of hellenestic culture under and after alexander as simply a byproduct

#2 is very obvious once its pointed out, trying to explain what he "really meant" isnt going to counter the point ive made

It seems like it would be advantageous to unite the lands you've conquered under a common culture no? I see what you're saying in that he consciously made certain decisions to do this though, so you're right that it wasn't just a byproduct, but don't you think he did that primarily to maintain control of the people, and I'm guessing recruit more soldiers from the lands he's conquered? Still seems like Military strength and dominance of the lands was his main reasoning for trying to spread a common culture.

 

[theworldismine13]

It seems like it would be advantageous to unite the lands you've conquered under a common culture no? I see what you're saying though in that he consciously made certain decisions to do this though, so you're right that it wasn't just a byproduct, but don't you think he did that primarily to maintain control of the people, and I'm guessing recruit more soldiers from the lands he's conquered?

its not what i am saying, its what most histories of alexander the great say, which was that he deliberately wanted to spread hellenestic culture

of course alexander had other motives, but him deliberately stating that he wanted to spread his culture (which actually wasnt his culture since he wasnt actually greek, but thats another story) makes him a bit peculiar

and so therefore the way carlin describes him is not correct, according to most histories

 

[Robbie3000]

TWISM stop fukking up this thread with your negativity.

 

[theworldismine13]

So he's critical about the U.S. but experiences cognitive dissonance in regards to the death's it took to build america? I don't think him not mentioning it is a sign of anything other than it wasn't the first thing to come to him while recording the podcast. He was talking about the mongols, so it kind of makes sense that more ancient cultures would be the first to come to his mind.

And it would help if you provided specific examples with quotes to explain your points. He mentioned Washington once in the first episode of wrath of the khans but there is 6+ hours of talking, it's kinda hard to try to listen for that shyt when I have no idea what part it happens in.

well again my point is not what he said, my point is what he DID NOT say, which is that the criticisms he was making applies to his own people and his own country, its a huge elephant in the room IMO and he pretty much ignores it throughout the podcast

of course it didn't enter his mind, of course its easier to point out the nazis and other ancient empires, that is my point

so there are no quotes you have to listen to to see my point, since my point is about the things he doesnt say

 

[theworldismine13]

TWISM stop fukking up this thread with your negativity.

im just having fun outchere breh

 

[theworldismine13]

i finished the roman republic one

its quite epic

i think my new motto in life is "What would Ceaser do?"

 

[DonRe]

The best podcast out there. Dope, informative, entertaining. I would like it to be more often but shyt it ain't easy dissecting historical occurrences and keep it digestible.

 

[Non Sequitur]

Bout to see what it dew...

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

i finished the roman republic one

its quite epic

i think my new motto in life is "What would Ceaser do?"

i got about an hour left on the Rome one...gonna finish it at work tomorrow and i'll probably pay for the Eastern Front of WWII one after that.

 

[theworldismine13]

i got about an hour left on the Rome one...gonna finish it at work tomorrow and i'll probably pay for the Eastern Front of WWII one after that.

yo that last one is crazy its 5 hours long LOL

im listening to thors angel now, but i want to do the eastern front too

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

its not what i am saying, its what most histories of alexander the great say, which was that he deliberately wanted to spread hellenestic culture

of course alexander had other motives, but him deliberately stating that he wanted to spread his culture (which actually wasnt his culture since he wasnt actually greek, but thats another story) makes him a bit peculiar

and so therefore the way carlin describes him is not correct, according to most histories

Carlin's view on this matter is stated quite clearly.
Carlin does not believe that Alexander was trying to spead Hellenistic culture...
this was just a result of Alexander's conquests and some historians credit Alexander with this unintentional result.