Dan orlovsky and Rex Ryan not keeping the same energy with Josh allen

[IrateMastermind]

Honestly, that narrative is BEYOND tired.

His supporting cast was good enough for them to win 14 games when he was winning the MVP in 2019 while leading the league in TD passes. It was enough for him to win his first playoff game in 2020 -- during which they were a top 10 scoring offense -- before Lamar was knocked out of the game against a superior Buffalo team. That same supporting cast started 8-3 in 2021 before a plague of injuries -- including one to Lamar -- destroyed their aspirations. Same shyt in 2022.

I completely agree that Lamar's supporting cast was not as dynamic as KC, Buffalo, Cincy, etc. But as long as Lamar was on the field and playing well, they had enough to win games at a very high level. And that's the thing: Lamar was not playing well during the postseason.

Had he put up numbers or looked elite in defeat, he would have gotten a pass and been hailed as someone who could drag mediocre teammates to heights beyond themselves. But because he wasn't looking great in those games, we get threads on here talking about how not only is this Super Bowl a must win for Lamar, but he's got to DOMINATE on his way to winning.

Anything that can be said about Lamar can be said about Allen. Had Allen looked better in that last drive they wouldn't have settled on a field goal

2020 Lamar Jackson almost had 143 rushing yards to Derick Henry's 195. Not to mention he through for 365. He also threw 2 picks and fumbled. Had he had a better cast, maybe he wouldn't have had to do so much. If Henry hadn't rushed for almost 200, maybe they would have gotten away with the W. We can what if these games to death.

My mind hasn't changed. They're both asked to do a lot, but one is favored by the media while the other one isn't. Allen needs to beat Mahomes in the playoffs just like Lamar does this week. We'll see what happens.

 

[holidayinn21]

I'll play devils advocate, lamars the 2x mvp his expectation should be to win it all. His expectations is up there with Peyton mahomes Brady, he in rare company now.

Nah, I can't buy this

Allen has been considered a top-3 QB, and considered better than Lamar, for 3 years now

Supposedly the new "Brady/Peyton" with Mahomes

If he's not gonna receive superstar criticism, then he shouldn't be getting the superstar treatment

 

[The_Sheff]

Nah, I can't buy this

Allen has been considered a top-3 QB, and considered better than Lamar, for 3 years now

Supposedly the new "Brady/Peyton" with Mahomes

If he's not gonna receive superstar criticism, then he shouldn't be getting the superstar treatment

Naw, the only reason people have been saying Allen over Lamar is because of the injury factor for Lamar. People been saying a healthy Lamar is one of the top players in the league.

Remember the saying "the best ability is availability", that was the knock on Lamar.

If he wins this MVP again, and doesnt at least make it to the Super Bowl, he gonna catch all types of hell.

 

[Loose]

Nah, I can't buy this

Allen has been considered a top-3 QB, and considered better than Lamar, for 3 years now

Supposedly the new "Brady/Peyton" with Mahomes

If he's not gonna receive superstar criticism, then he shouldn't be getting the superstar treatment

He has no mvps, lamar has two. Lamar been the better player in the leagues eyes if we going off that. So yes he has high expectations.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Ryan Clark kept them in check

I been calling him Washed Allen for years.. Never won shyt and yet every year they talk about him like HE'S Pat Mahomes... Talking bout "Superman lost" Motherfukker Superman won

 

[EzekelRAGE]

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I been calling him Washed Allen for years.. Never won shyt and yet every year they talk about him like HE'S Pat Mahomes... Talking bout "Superman lost" Motherfukker Superman won

"The Alien"
"Mr. January"
That tony romo dikksucking was so annoying

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

It's surprising to me how many people expected Buffalo to beat KC so easily. I expect it's just a lot of people fronting after the fact so they can shyt on Allen but Mahomes is probably the best QB ever. Crying about people not shytting on him for not beating Mahomes is weird af and diminishes Mahomes' greatness like y'all expected that man to go out there and just get his ass bust by Buffalo? I'll admit I leaned Buffalo before the game but y'all are talking like they just went out there and lost to the Panthers.

Talking bout 'b-b-b-but Lamar!!!!' like Allen's playoff stats don't shyt all over Lamar's

Lamar's postseason stats:

Allen's postseason stats:

No.. RC and most of us don't have an issue with Josh Allen. Nobody said it was his fault... Nobody said he sucks

The problem is the media has hyped this dude up to be number 2 in the league... And at times, was saying he was BETTER than Pat...

But when we look at the results, he ain't winning like Pat, he ain't getting to the Bowl like Burrow, he ain't winning MVPs like Lamar... I mean shyt... What has he ACCOMPLISHED?? One AFC title game? That's #2 to y'all?

Now add in the fact he's white, so it's assumed that's where this extra praise with zero criticism is coming from... And there you have the "hate." But what it really is, is people are sick and tiring of HEARING about this guy and never SEEING the accomplishments. Nobody else got to skip past winning.

 

[Ain't That Something]

NONE OF THOSE DROPPED PASSES
WOULD HAVE BEEN TD CATCHES.

THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THEM
IN POSITION TO SCORE
BUT YOU CAN STOP CLAIMING
THEY DROPPED 2 TDS


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I was wondering what TD passes breh was talking bout

 

[CP3.]

The problem is the media has hyped this dude up to be number 2 in the league... And at times, was saying he was BETTER than Pat...

Which dumbass said that?!

 

[ghostwriterx]

Which dumbass said that?!

Nobody, Pat has been the consensus #1 QB in the league for years.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Horrible take by Ryan Clark, but he often has some horrible takes.

Josh Allen is one of the most defended and criticized QB's in the NFL. Anyone who says he isn't arguably the most criticized QB is just flat out wrong. He makes some really dumb plays sometimes, but also makes plays no other QB will make.

There is no way anyone with a functioning brain could have watched that game last night and come away thinking that it was Josh Allen's fault they lost. The sports discourse nowadays is just flat out lazy, and people just looking at the end result, and not how the game actually went.

I always ask the question of athletes who are criticized wrongly. Did said athlete hold his team back from winning? Often times the overriding focus is on reputation, but when you ask someone if a player held back their team for a series or a game by not performing well, folks avoid that question or try to pivot.

Sports pundits and fans are just dumb for the most part.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Exactly, RC didn't say Allen was the reason they lost. Because he wasn't...

But Josh Allen left plays on the field, he deserves mention for that. They didn't lose the game on a missed kick that would've only tied...

Also I don't think people hammer Josh for not having a ring, as someone upthread hinted at. It's more about the roller coaster play and, to RC's point, he dies everything you need him to do until you need him to do it most. Should've hit Diggs on the cross, but the TD to Shakir was there if he put more air under the ball on that very play, that pass landed like 4 yards in front of Shakir in the endzone...

That play where Shakir had to freaking dive to haul in the bomb, come on now, ball placement and accuracy are quarterback responsibilities, no one to blame there other than Allen. Then that final 3rd Down, he had Kincaid for a first down...

Again, I don't think Allen is the reason they lost, but he played marvelous until he had the ball with 2 minutes left with a chance to win. There's no way you can say that was a strong final drive from him. I'm an Allen fan, but we not doing this "he deserves no critique" shyt today...

And he's now 1-5 vs other elite QBs in the playoffs, amazingly he's 4-0 when the other team's QB is Just A Guy. RC said it in this clip, at some point he has to win these marquee matches vs other elite QBs...

And same energy coming if Lamar comtributes to a loss next week. Lamar currently has a losing playoff record, and his team is at home, better roster, favored vs Kansas City. Sane situation as Allen this week, Lamar better win that gotdamn game. Like RC said, and he's right, greatness isn't defined by not being the guy to lose the game, its defined by finding a way to win...

Lamar next on that screen...

If a game comes down to a player who’s played well throughout the game not hitting a particular play, I don’t care to make a story around their capacity to win games. Especially as a coach. Failures leading up to that play created significance around that play.

I simply dont get the mentality of sports fans

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Nobody, Pat has been the consensus #1 QB in the league for years.

Bullshyt... Dan was on First Take after that overtime playoff loss talking about he was best on the field that day... Changed the damn rules for him

THEN the next season Dan was talking about "Pat is the best football player but Josh is the best QB in the league"

It's the exact time I started calling him Washed Allen and hating on him.. Dan did this to him!! But I know it wasn't just him... After he LOST that overtime game, mad people was saying he outplayed Pat and was the better QB.. It was he didn't have the weapons or defense or whatever excuse they keep handing him

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

If a game comes down to a player who’s played well throughout the game not hitting a particular play, I don’t care to make a story around their capacity to win games. Especially as a coach. Failures leading up to that play created significance around that play.

I simply dont get the mentality of sports fans

Because we've made legends of the ones who made it happen when they had no business. When Aaron goes on 4th and makes it... penalty erases it... Then he does it again for 30 yards just to be sure...

When Brady isn't supposed to win and he's down 28-3 and he comes back.. When you do the impossible, THAT is when you're supposed to get all the praise and the "top of the league" and the gold jacket and "superstar" title..

Not when you not winning shyt and doing just enough to almost win... That's a title for good people who almost was great.. The great ones are great when it's time to be great or a go home... Josh Allen is always home

 

[NYC Rebel]

Because we've made legends of the ones who made it happen when they had no business.

Well I thank God for giving me the ability to grow past obviously flawed thinking.

We all know its flawed but think past precedents matters.

Zero growth.

Sports deserves more than cliche hero or failure storylines