D'Angelo Barksdale may of single handily caused the downfall of the Barksdale Organization

[CoryMack]

I don't know, but every year or so I rewatch the wire I think that Stringer is more delusional rather than being a smart dumb nikka. Avon had to eventually break the shyt down to Stringer that they were just dope dealers, because Stringer just didn't want to accept that they were just dope dealers. The nikka even invoked the Robert Rules of Order at a fukking Barksdale meeting and you just know that Stringer had to be involved in that stupid ass co-op shyt.



Now Cheese on the other hand was the original smart dumbass nikka. That dumbass never accounted for shyt like loyalty or underlying friendship among the drug dealers, which is why Slim Charles smoked his ass for setting up Prop Joe for Marlo to kill. Cheese never stopped and realized that the other drug dealers deep down actually liked Prop Joe's scheming fat ass.

On another point I liked parallel stories being run in the Wire in the drug dealers families. D had love and loyalty for his uncle Avon and D would never cross Avon and Avon knew it. Meanwhile Cheese had no love or loyalty for his uncle Prop Joe and it was not until Joe was going to be killed that he realized that his nephew had neither loyalty nor love for him. Prop Joe's death was hard for me to watch, because the betrayal by his nephew seem to hurt him more than the bullet.

The co op wasn't stupid. It's what stringer had to do to keep his org running in the absence of a quality plug. It was an excellent move, because he found in Prop Joe a kindred spirit who understood that they were bigger than than the corners now, so leave the warring to someone else. It was time to evolve. Plus the dope was coming through prop Joe.

When Avon came home he was still stuck in the past, like most nikkas who come home after a bid. He couldn't accept that shyt had changed. Still on the stupid eastside nikkas/westside nikkas shyt, even to his last convo with Marlo at the end of the series. That's childish and stupid. And he didnt have the ability to transition like string. Stringer was the nikka we all say dope boys should be: someone who's in it to get some money, but has a plan to get out and go legit.

String knew how to handle Marlo and wouldn't have made the mistake prop Joe made with him.

The only real mistakes string made was how he handled the bro mouzone situation, and not telling Avon he was done, like cutty. After I'd seen that Avon was determined on staying on some stupid street shyt I'd have told him I love him, but it's time we part ways.

 

[Sukairain]

String knew how to handle Marlo and wouldn't have made the mistake prop Joe made with him.

He did NOT know how to handle Marlo he completely misread him from the start

Avon was the one who had the social skills and psychological insights. Stringer was just a calculator. He didn't understand what drives people and so always would have been an inept leader.



Don't try acting like Stringer knew how to read Marlo he was so out of his depth. Marlo concludes the meeting by ignoring Stringer's offer and instructing Chris to prepare for war.



Here Marlo folds like a bytch and gives Avon everything he wants, even though Avon is powerless in prison - because Avon knew how to handle him. There isn't any "Chris, tell our people to tool up" like there was with String.

 

[Elvira Sol]

especially after little man called him a gump... and took his stash... he had to get his boy to fukk him up for him..

Kenard was a demon.

 

[Elvira Sol]

He wasn't confused. He knew what he wanted : that's how you do criminality at higher level: you do it with political connect.

Big crime organizations are always linked with politics.

He got scammed because it was the first time; if he lived maybe he would have learned.

I think he would’ve learned. He needed more refinement and cunning but that comes with experience.

 

[YouMadd?]

He wasn't confused. He knew what he wanted : that's how you do criminality at higher level: you do it with political connect.

Big crime organizations are always linked with politicians

He got scammed because it was the first time; if he lived maybe he would have learned.

he knew what he wanted but he was confused as to how to get it.

you either be a criminal, or be legit. You either do criminal things to criminals, or you do legit things with businessmen. You don’t mix legit with criminality regardless of what the movies tell you.

He got scammed because “they saw yo ghetto as from miles away nikka”

If he had made the right decisions in regards to Marlo, he would have gotten rich either way. But he didn’t. He was soft on Marlo and didn’t when he should have been hard with the muscle and he wasn’t smart enough to follow the lawyers advice when I came to legit business.

You go hard on Marlo and soft on Clay Davis, not the other way around.

 

[African Peasant]

he knew what he wanted but he was confused as to how to get it.

you either be a criminal, or be legit. You either do criminal things to criminals, or you do legit things with businessmen. You don’t mix legit with criminality regardless of what the movies tell you.

He got scammed because “they saw yo ghetto as from miles away nikka”

If he had made the right decisions in regards to Marlo, he would have gotten rich either way. But he didn’t. He was soft on Marlo and didn’t when he should have been hard with the muscle and he wasn’t smart enough to follow the lawyers advice when I came to legit business.

You go hard on Marlo and soft on Clay Davis, not the other way around.

I don't agree with you on the first point. To me, It doesn't matter. You can do crime with legit people, as long as they are down or if you have something on them. Stringer was not doing something special or dumb: he was trying to buy a favor from a politician, a crooked politician. It's usual business.

But you're right when you're talking about the way he dealt with it. Contacting Clay and try to do some business with him is a good move. However, you should know how to deal with that type of cats who are not from the street or who are not operating on a street level. He went to Clay and gave him money and waited for something in return. That's not enough. He should have a leverage on Clay. Clay played him cause he knew Stringer had nothing on him. It was a rookie mistake.

 

[CoryMack]

He did NOT know how to handle Marlo he completely misread him from the start

Avon was the one who had the social skills and psychological insights. Stringer was just a calculator. He didn't understand what drives people and so always would have been an inept leader.



Don't try acting like Stringer knew how to read Marlo he was so out of his depth. Marlo concludes the meeting by ignoring Stringer's offer and instructing Chris to prepare for war.



Here Marlo folds like a bytch and gives Avon everything he wants, even though Avon is powerless in prison - because Avon knew how to handle him. There isn't any "Chris, tell our people to tool up" like there was with String.

 

[YouMadd?]

I don't agree with you on the first point. To me, It doesn't matter. You can do crime with legit people, as long as they are down or if you have something on them. Stringer was not doing something special or dumb: he was trying to buy a favor from a politician, a crooked politician. It's usual business.

But you're right when you're talking about the way he dealt with it. Contacting Clay and try to do some business with him is a good move. However, you should know how to deal with that type of cats who are not from the street or who are not operating on a street level. He went to Clay and gave him money and waited for something in return. That's not enough. He should have a leverage on Clay. Clay played him cause he knew Stringer had nothing on him. It was a rookie mistake.

You're right. Stringer probably wouldn't let that happen to him twice. He would have learned and moved smarter amongst the crooked politicians.

 

[JQ Legend]

Stringer was more intelligent than Avon

Avon was smarter than Stringer

You just knew u said some deep shyt right there huh

 

[JQ Legend]

One thing I Loved about Brooklyn's Finest was them making Weebey and Omar a team

 

[JQ Legend]

Avon did exactly what you're describing here to Cutty. And they showed that he kept his respect for him for walking away. This was after D'angelo was gone, so I don't know if writers were trying to show Avon's growth or not.

To be fair tho, D didn't really want out of the game whereas Cutty did.

And those of y'all calling him a snitch can

He was just in his feelings, if he wanted to he would have brought the whole Barksdale organization down. Where y'all from that snitches plea guilty while letting people he could have ratted on stay free?

Stringer the only one who felt he needed to die and stringer was also among the least street smart. And also happened to be the one fukkin D girl not to mention he was wild shady towards him the whole time he was free.

Can't believe y'all really trying to change the narrative to D got killed because Stringer was looking out for the organization

 

[get these nets]

To be fair tho, D didn't really want out of the game whereas Cutty did.

And those of y'all calling him a snitch can

He was just in his feelings, if he wanted to he would have brought the whole Barksdale organization down. Where y'all from that snitches plea guilty while letting people he could have ratted on stay free?

Stringer the only one who felt he needed to die and stringer was also among the least street smart. And also happened to be the one fukkin D girl not to mention he was wild shady towards him the whole time he was free.

Can't believe y'all really trying to change the narrative to D got killed because Stringer was looking out for the organization

Have watched the series from beginning to the end? Disagree with almost everything you wrote.

D wanted out...he confided to the stripper that he didn't like the life he had....that he felt boxed in

D told the cops the EXACT address in Philly to find where Weebay was hiding.

D was about to co operate with cops until his mother visited him.

Stringer got with D's girl to get the inside scoop from her about where D's head was at, and to keep her in line. when he heard from avon and d's girl that d wasn't keeping in touch with them, and was depressed, he set up the hit rather than wait for him to flip

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

You forgot the part where he snitched and got Bey knocked

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

Dbl

 

[Skip b]

He did NOT know how to handle Marlo he completely misread him from the start

Avon was the one who had the social skills and psychological insights. Stringer was just a calculator. He didn't understand what drives people and so always would have been an inept leader.



Don't try acting like Stringer knew how to read Marlo he was so out of his depth. Marlo concludes the meeting by ignoring Stringer's offer and instructing Chris to prepare for war.



Here Marlo folds like a bytch and gives Avon everything he wants, even though Avon is powerless in prison - because Avon knew how to handle him. There isn't any "Chris, tell our people to tool up" like there was with String.

How is Avon powerless he showed there the king is still the king, and Marlo became his Stringer from season 2, holding on until a 2-3 years when Avon gets home........Exactly why he asked how you doing otherwise, and Marlo replied the game is the game..Then the Always.....Those conversations mirrored String and Avon from season 2; but unlike String Marlo decided to take the connect from Joe, rather than eat a little piece off of it.....No sides deals, and business, meetings and such

It wasn't about handling Marlo, Marlo understood once everyone jetted and he looked around he could be touched anytime; that meeting was about a truce between to like minds