Darnold is still the #1 QB (Rosen is just another Matt Ryan)

[backbreaker65]

I'm just hoping Lamar Jackson fall far enough for the Steelers to pick him up.

 

[010101]

another flatfoot parasite qb¿*

 

[Francium]

After witnessing Darnold's and Stidham's relative ease in making reads and stepping up in the pocket, Rosen's limitations are more glaring. Rosen often settles for short gains a la Alex Smith and fails to make headway under pressure like Matt Ryan. The latter is his ceiling. Is that worth #2?

False, Rosen had more 20+ YDS receptions than Darnold this year with 3 less games. This is taking into account that he had less weapons than Darnold. Also, he easily hit all his receivers in stride.



I prefer Darnold's feet outside of the pocket, but Rosen's feet are underrated. He used to hold the ball for longer than needed to, but he stopped that this season.

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There are three things I worry about Rosen. First, is the the way he takes sacks in the pocket. He tries to fight through it instead of learning to fall with the sack and ends up hurting himself even more. This is something Darnold doesn't do. The second which he improved on vastly was his decision making that led to interceptions. Most of his INTs were late game situations of him trying to do too much with the little he had around him. The third is he really slow and has gotten slower since putting on weight. He was much more mobile his freshman year. Here's an example:



Rosen has the accuracy and mechanics of Brees, the athleticism/build between Rodgers and Manning (not a compliment). With the right QB coach, he easily has the potential to be a top 10 QB in the league.

 

[godkiller]

False, Rosen had more 20+ YDS receptions than Darnold this year with 3 less games. This is taking into account that he had less weapons than Darnold. Also, he easily hit all his receivers in stride.



I prefer Darnold's feet outside of the pocket, but Rosen's feet are underrated. He used to hold the ball for longer than needed to, but he stopped that this season.

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There are three things I worry about Rosen. First, is the the way he takes sacks in the pocket. He tries to fight through it instead of learning to fall with the sack and ends up hurting himself even more. This is something Darnold doesn't do. The second which he improved on vastly was his decision making that led to interceptions. Most of his INTs were late game situations of him trying to do too much with the little he had around him. The third is he really slow and has gotten slower since putting on weight. He was much more mobile his freshman year. Here's an example:



Rosen has the accuracy and mechanics of Brees, the athleticism/build between Rodgers and Manning (not a compliment). With the right QB coach, he easily has the potential to be a top 10 QB in the league.

Darnold has just a tick higher YPA than Rosen, which implies that even with Rosen's 20+ yard stat he still doesnt throw the ball per snap as far as Darnold does. Rosen is very good after play action and down the seam, but seems to avoid the outside. When the play breaks down, Rosen rarely makes plays. That sounds like Matt Ryan. Brees has excellent pocket presence which Rosen lack, so that's why I don't mention him as a realistic poise. Darnold plays well with and without pressure. Rosen, meanwhile, cannot play well when in a storm.

 

[godkiller]

If you watched the Rams game( and not just the box score) you’d find that your comment about Ryan under pressure was completely asinine

That was 1 game.

 

[godkiller]

both are kinda overrated imo

But I'll take Rosen out of the two. Darnold is simply too prone to mental errors. His decisions are often ass, and his picks are usually bad picks - such as not seeing the coverage, throwing into double coverage, throwing with bad mechanics off his backfoot, and so on.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Darnold has a lot more question marks than Goff going into draft, and I thought Goff had tons of question marks to the point I wouldn't pick him in the first round.

And neither compares to Ryan, really. Rosen is more of a deep/intermediate passer but his pocket presence is far off from Ryan's. Darnold's decision making and reading of defense is far worse.
Of course, Ryan is a NFL vet, so it's kinda silly to compare him to these guys anyway. style wise they have nothing in common tho.

Rosen's offense becomes anemic when he's pressured. Darnold makes more plays and makes better decisions under continuous pressure. Rosen's weaknesses are that muddy pockets bother him, can make odd decisions and has limitations when it comes to leaving the pocket. Rosen isn't losing any weight either. Hes injury prone as things stans. These issues are Matt Ryan's issues (or a rich man's Eli).

 

[Stone]

That was 1 game.

You can go back and look at most of the games he’s played in this year.

 

[godkiller]

You can go back and look at most of the games he’s played in this year.

Looking again at the Rams' game, Ryan making throws from a clean pocket, his running game tramples over the other team, and his defense is stout. Ryan makes some plays against pressure but ATL run game and defense won that game.

 

[Stone]

Looking again at the Rams' game, Ryan making throws from a clean pocket, his running game tramples over the other team, and his defense is stout. Ryan makes some plays against pressure but ATL run game and defense won that game.

Falcons O-line was thoroughly dominated in that game especially early. Matt had to make a ton of plays evading the rush to keep drives alive.

 

[Georgiamuscle]

Looking again at the Rams' game, Ryan making throws from a clean pocket, his running game tramples over the other team, and his defense is stout. Ryan makes some plays against pressure but ATL run game and defense won that game.

That man was running for his life or standing tall in the pocket just to get hit. Free and Cole were nonexistent until the Rams defense started getting tired. Try again.

Edit: Kitties fan. Almost as bad as an Aints fan.

 

[the next guy]

@godkiller is a die hard football fan lol, up that early watching tape.

 

[Stop_It_5]

Ryan's gotten good enough with his legs that it's become underrated. He's not a track star by any means, but he's not a statue either, he's bailed the pocket all year to keep plays alive.


Darnold the prospect is a less polished Jameis with a worse throwing motion and the same goofball turnovers. It's impossible to justify taking him over Rosen.

 

[Uncle Juice]

So Rosen is a future league MVP who'll have the 3rd highest career playoff passer rating?

Thecoli.com, yall.

 

[Xerces]

@ folks thinking Matt Ryan could go to another team and succeed.

Dude has had

Roddy White
Julio Jones
Tony Gonzales
Michael Turner
Stephen Jackson
Mohammed Sanu
Tevin Coleman
Matt Bryant <-------- The real Matty Ice

and Devonta Freeman, and still can't win a super bowl.

 

[Francium]

Darnold has just a tick higher YPA than Rosen, which implies that even with Rosen's 20+ yard stat he still doesnt throw the ball per snap as far as Darnold does. Rosen is very good after play action and down the seam, but seems to avoid the outside. When the play breaks down, Rosen rarely makes plays. That sounds like Matt Ryan. Brees has excellent pocket presence which Rosen lack, so that's why I don't mention him as a realistic poise. Darnold plays well with and without pressure. Rosen, meanwhile, cannot play well when in a storm.

I don't agree the higher YPA implies Darnold is throwing it further. Darnold had USC athletes at that are able to break away for more YAC each game and also beat their corner to get open for the throw. Rosen only had Lasley of similar caliber and he was suspended for 3 games throughout the season. There were very few plays outside of his TDs were WRs broke away for more yards which would've increased Rosen's YPA.

Rosen's offense becomes anemic when he's pressured. Darnold makes more plays and makes better decisions under continuous pressure. Rosen's weaknesses are that muddy pockets bother him, can make odd decisions and has limitations when it comes to leaving the pocket. Rosen isn't losing any weight either. Hes injury prone as things stans. These issues are Matt Ryan's issues (or a rich man's Eli).

The offense was anemic because it heavily relied on Rosen. We had one of the worst O-Lines in the conference and our RB corp that was 116th in total rushing and avg 3.7 yds/carry (105th) this year. Last year, it was 127th for both categories. That's bottom 25 and 2nd to LAST in the country, respectively. Only Texas State had a worst rushing year than us last year. TEXAS STATE.

It's amazing Rosen was able to keep UCLA in many games we lost (USC, Stanford, Memphis etc.) when the defensive coordinators only had to prep for the pass. We had to play pass to run with NO run, rather than run to pass. Things closed up quickly when the defensives knew they hardly have to send in a man in the pass rush. Rosen still threw for 3700+ yards and an average of 341.5 YDs/game. You realize how fast he had to go through his progressions and get off the ball to his WR? Also, he was sacked 26 times in 11 games losing the ball 3 times. Darnold was sacked 29 times in 14 games with 8 fumbles. You see the one-dimensional offense he worked with compared to Darnold?

Rosen with Ronald Jones, Deontay Burnett, Tyler Vaughns, Michael Pittman, and Stephen Carr would've had USC in the playoffs.