Daz Dillinger: Tupac and Dr. Dre' got into it!

[jwonder]

Show the AEOM credits then.

Well you take your bytch ass on before I get you deported. Pac said in a interview that Dre didn't do All Eyez on Me but tried to take credit. Are you even old enough to know about this shyt?

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

Well you take your bytch ass on before I get you deported. Pac said in a interview that Dre didn't do All Eyez on Me but tried to take credit. Are you even old enough to know about this shyt?

So you can't look at the actual credits to say Dre tried to take credit, you have to go by the word of a paranoid midget? Lol at deported. Why are you so emotional? The reality is this, everyone got their proper credit on Pacs album. So all your "he tried to get credit" is false.

 

[jwonder]

So you can't look at the actual credits to say Dre tried to take credit, you have to go by the word of a paranoid midget? Lol at deported. Why are you so emotional? The reality is this, everyone got their proper credit on Pacs album. So all your "he tried to get credit" is false.

shyt is coming soon and it's well overdue.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

shyt is coming soon and it's well overdue.

I was born here though, just like my parents and their parents.

 

[jwonder]

I was born here though, just like my parents and their parents.

There are going to amend that law of being born here also.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

There are going to amend that law of being born here also.

So where are you getting deported to?

 

[jerzboy]

also the beats on doggystyle
sounds like some leftover chronic beats
dope but at the same time

.......

 

[spliz]

you being a producer is neither here nor there.

the difference between "ambitionz of a ridah" & "quiet storm" is that ambitionz is darn near identical to the original beat, and you can recognize the sample instantly. with quiet storm, you have to stop and think about it at the very least.

daz repleaced the pee-wee herman melody. other than that, theres not much else to what he did.

as for the last part of your post, I'm not in here for the daz/dre argument. I'm just in here on behalf of the pee-wee dance breh. respect the architects.

So cause I said somethin about Ambitions as a Ridah I don't respect the architects? nikka u trying too hard. That's like me posting the sample of every song someone posts sayin respect the architects. The nikka Daz updated the drums and made em more current. Added a bassline. Added piano. Added synths and flutes. He built around the sample. Havoc was just more creative with his flip. He slowed the bassline down to make it sound more gutter. Added some drums. Added some synths and theres the beat. Neither beat is really hard to replicate technically. We knocking nikkas for recognizing the sample now? Smh. Lol

 

[JustCKing]

Synonymous because of the general ignorance that comes along with the average member of the hip-hop audience and the estranged nature of the creative contributors of hip-hop from the general music community. The fact that it is a "poor man's genre" doesn't redefine the music industry definition of a music producer

Anyone who's been involved in any studio work of recent years will tell you that the line between an a mix engineer* and producer is blurred

(*not to be confused with the role of recording engineer, although they sometimes and often do both)

A producer credit is not defined as simply making a beat . . that's hip-hop poppycock, not a record producer

You program drums you get credit for programming drums . . that's it. That's work for hire, barely a creative credential. An engineer can, will and does do this same role

Thank you.

I'd put this way:

Cooking doesn't make a person a chef

Drawing doesn't make a person an artist

Programming drums don't make a person a producer

Rapping doesn't make a person a lyricist

Rhyming doesn't make a person a rapper

 

[JustCKing]

Another point I wanted to make is that Soundclick is littered with "producers". Yes, there's some really nice beats on there, but there's a reason why guys like Johnny Juliano made it beyond just being a Soundclick "producer". Production requires you catering your sound to an artist. It's actually creating a song vs. just making a beat. It's one thing to piece together a bunch of elements that sound nice together and call yourself a producer. It's another to actually go into the studio with an artist and build from scratch.

 

[spliz]

Thank you.

I'd put this way:

Cooking doesn't make a person a chef

Drawing doesn't make a person an artist

Programming drums don't make a person a producer

Rapping doesn't make a person a lyricist

Rhyming doesn't make a person a rapper

Ok. And what does this prove? U stating obvious shyt. But. As far as Dre goes. Like I said earlier. Ive spoken to artists who've worked with him personally. And said it's hard to even get the nikka in the studio. AND it's one thing to be on some shyt like "I want u to play this. And I want u to play that. And I want it to come together like this...". it's a completely different thing when someone brings a damn near fully made product to u. U clean it up a lil bit and take full production credit. Like I said before. Michael Jackson fell out with Quincy Jones over this SAME shyt. Him barely changing what MJ brought to the table and expecting to take majority of the credit. Mike wasn't feelin that shyt and when it comes to traditional producers Quincy >>>>>>>>>>>> Dre hands down. And he had a fallout with the biggest artist he's ever worked with in his career cause of those bullshyt tactics. So Dre damn sure don't get a pass.

 

[JustCKing]

pooh and soopafly got their credit, it's there in the credits

To people who equate making beats to being a producer, tell me what exactly did Daz do on songs where the credits read:

Keyboards: Priest "Superfly" Brooks
Percussion: Carl "Butch" Small
Rhythm Guitar: Ricardo Rouse

If making beats is production, why aren't those guys credited with co-production since they provided elements that are a part of the beat.

 

[JustCKing]

Ok. And what does this prove? U stating obvious shyt. But. As far as Dre goes. Like I said earlier. Ive spoken to artists who've worked with him personally. And said it's hard to even get the nikka in the studio. AND it's one thing to be on some shyt like "I want u to play this. And I want u to play that. And I want it to come together like this...". it's a completely different thing when someone brings a damn near fully made product to u. U clean it up a lil bit and take full production credit. Like I said before. Michael Jackson fell out with Quincy Jones over this SAME shyt. Him barely changing what MJ brought to the table and expecting to take majority of the credit. Mike wasn't feelin that shyt and when it comes to traditional producers Quincy >>>>>>>>>>>> Dre hands down. And he had a fallout with the biggest artist he's ever worked with in his career cause of those bullshyt tactics. So Dre damn sure don't get a pass.

And again, this works both ways. People who make beats aren't always in the studio with the artists they make beats for. They send beats to them and the artist and the engineer ends up doing work that producers are supposed to at least assist with. Yet, they still get full production credit for the song.

Something that's near fully made isn't the same as being fully made though. What we would consider minor might not be so minor, but still essential to it being/feeling complete. It's something that's really difficult to determine without hearing what it sounded like before versus what it sounded it like after.

And no, I don't think a person should get credit if they didn't alter the song in any way.

 

[I love Latina women]

To people who equate making beats to being a producer, tell me what exactly did Daz do on songs where the credits read:

Keyboards: Priest "Superfly" Brooks
Percussion: Carl "Butch" Small
Rhythm Guitar: Ricardo Rouse

If making beats is production, why aren't those guys credited with co-production since they provided elements that are a part of the beat.

drum programmin'. workin' the mpc machine. pickin' the sample(s) out that either they sampled or flipped

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

To people who equate making beats to being a producer, tell me what exactly did Daz do on songs where the credits read:

Keyboards: Priest "Superfly" Brooks
Percussion: Carl "Butch" Small
Rhythm Guitar: Ricardo Rouse

If making beats is production, why aren't those guys credited with co-production since they provided elements that are a part of the beat.

They play the music theyre told to play.