DC Schools: $29,349 Per Pupil, 83% Not Proficient in Reading

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yep a lot of public school spend a lot of time discipline. I swear looking back at my high school experience, a lot of it was prison conditioning for some individuals.

They had random searches. Bells that everyone had to follow, detention sweeps. :snoop:
I went to public school for only 1 year in high school, and in order to get into the building, you had to take off your belt, jacket, and bag, put it on the X Ray conveyor belt, and then you had to walk through the metal detector. If something was off, they'd say go to the side, and hold your arms out for the guards to use the wands.
 

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Simply stating it has "one of the highest per pupils spending in the country" is meaningless when we already spend far too little on education. The article was misleading in the sense that it tried to make DC schools look worse than they actually are by playing with the use of the word proficient.

Besides that, the DC test scores have been getting steadily better over the years which suggests a positive trend, and the actual scores were only marginally below the large-city averages. Expecting huge educational miracles overnight is unreasonable.

This is not to say that there are no problems with public education today; there are many and they desperately need to be addressed. One of the most important is the issue of poverty. It's simply unacceptable for a nation with such great wealth to have such a high level of poverty, and it's only getting worse. Then you also have the issues of underfunding and the absolutely abysmal attitude towards teachers by almost everyone. If you want to have good public schools you need to make a serious effort to invest in the training and retention of great teachers.

The idea of closing down under-performing public schools and privatizing them is unnecessary. Schools shouldn't be punished for under-performing. We should make a serious effort to ask why? and come up with solutions to improve them. Diane Ravitch makes a great point:


via The Myth of Charter Schools by Diane Ravitch | The New York Review of Books

the reason why DC scores are coming up is because DC has been implementing charters schools and they have been closing non performing schools down, so basically you are trying to take credit for policies that you are opposing

per pupil spending is not meaningless, per pupil spending gives you an idea of how much waste is going into the system and there is no point in increasing funding for a system that is wasting money and is non functioning

the DC school system is not underfunded, the dc school system has a broken wasteful bureaucracy

and there is no point in discussing finland or other countries when you insist on using the same bureaucracy that caused the problem in the first place
 

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Because you're still going to school and at the end of the day, they are educating you on various tools - grammar, math, science- to be successful and go onto college. I don't see how that is training them for the prison system.

 

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Most people aren't trained educators so you could always hire a private tutor/teacher. Sending a black kid to a public school is the absolute WORST thing you can do.

I disagree, I think it depends on the school district. :patrice:


A shyt school district should be avoided but there are some public schools that are not only high quality but really go above and beyond to help their black students not only succeed but do well past just high school. I went to a good public school and while there was some stupid shyt going on, it was a lot better than anything I would have got from homeschooling.
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There is something fundamentally wrong with black people in this country and that is even an understatement to be honest.
I can't put my hands on it but this anti-intellectual/academia attitude has to change very quick or we are in for some massive problems down the road.
down the road? :wtf:
 

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thats a good idea, i would go further and say that local school boards should be stripped of a lot of their power and the public school system itself should be eliminated and replaced by independent charter schools and vouchers for private schools, the role of the school board would just be to regulate the schools (as opposed to running the schools), the spending power would actually be at the local level by each individual school

so instead of going to the district to find out how much money is being spent and where, the parent can go straight to the principal and teachers to find out, and if they and a group of parents decide they dont like how its being spent they should have the freedom to create their own school and/or move their kid to another school

I would be very careful about dikk riding those private charter schools because in some areas like Louisiana, those vouchers are to private christian schools which are just as bad, if not worse. Kids will have class schedules with BS classes like Bible Study(The conservative, Fox News, white man's perspective version, slavery was black people's own fault type stuff, let me remind you, not some real survival scroll biblical info) where they would get it at church for free from a decent urban church.
:usure:

Also it introduces a host of whole new problems because I had friends in private school both IRL and online and they can tell you about the play to pay system that crops up in private schools.
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A lot of rich kids stay out of trouble constantly because their parents can make "donations" for school faculty/administration to look the other way. The schools usually are always strapped for cash and they are constantly fundraising for something which is a system that opens itself EASILY for exploitation by rich kids who's parents have a huge purse.

There will be some kids in there doing coke and/or heroin(rich kids have access to the "better" drugs *eyeroll*), constantly starting shyt and being a dikk to others but can stay in the school because mommy and daddy can write a check for 40K towards renovations which a black family probably won't be able to do that if they fukk up. Also any sort of tutoring of help from teachers outside of class cost money. Like 20/30 bucks an hour type ish every 5 days, not any chump change value.

Also bullying can be a much bigger problem due to money itself. As I stated previously rich bullies can always have daddy cut a check and make conflicts "disappear" which is why you see adult bullies from private schools having absolutely NO FILTER when it comes to how they treat others because they are use to their parents cutting a check. The haves and the have nots can be a much bigger problem than in public.

As a black person, you will find some private school kids have some of the most IGNORANT views about black people and will expect you to be self-hating c00n mode if you have ANY hope of fitting in socially. They aren't use to minorities and often quite a few white parents send their kids to private schools to GET AWAY FROM black people. When I mean ignorant like white kids coming up to you speaking broken ebonics asking you for weed assuming all blacks sell drugs.
:mjlol: They will also say stupid shyt like this \/ \/ \/ \/ \/
tumblr_n1s2qo69551tucgl1o1_1280.jpg



Again there are some amazing private schools but don't act like private school are without flaws. There are upper echelon ones that are run like college campuses like Trinity School, Horace Mann, Phillips Exeter Academy, etc which are reserved for the upper crust of americans are nearly bulletproof in quality. These are reserved for doctor/lawyer/dentist/successful P.hD scientist/CEOs/top tier politicians/Bank owners children and usually have about 30-40% go to Ivy schools.

A lot of these other average private schools are religious(white GOP evangelical version) or basic secular are bugged with problems and isn't all what its cracked up to be. Try to get yourself into a good quality public school district and you will be Gucci without have to drop 10K+ a year PER child on the lower end and 30-40K a year for upper levels per child.:sas1:
 

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I would be very careful about dikk riding those private charter schools because in some areas like Louisiana, those vouchers are to private christian schools which are just as bad, if not worse. Kids will have class schedules with BS classes like Bible Study(The conservative, Fox News, white man's perspective version, slavery was black people's own fault type stuff, let me remind you, not some real survival scroll biblical info) where they would get it at church for free from a decent urban church.
:usure:

Also it introduces a host of whole new problems because I had friends in private school both IRL and online and they can tell you about the play to pay system that crops up in private schools.
:whoo:
A lot of rich kids stay out of trouble constantly because their parents can make "donations" for school faculty/administration to look the other way. The schools usually are always strapped for cash and they are constantly fundraising for something which is a system that opens itself EASILY for exploitation by rich kids who's parents have a huge purse.

There will be some kids in there doing coke and/or heroin(rich kids have access to the "better" drugs *eyeroll*), constantly starting shyt and being a dikk to others but can stay in the school because mommy and daddy can write a check for 40K towards renovations which a black family probably won't be able to do that if they fukk up. Also any sort of tutoring of help from teachers outside of class cost money. Like 20/30 bucks an hour type ish every 5 days, not any chump change value.

Also bullying can be a much bigger problem due to money itself. As I stated previously rich bullies can always have daddy cut a check and make conflicts "disappear" which is why you see adult bullies from private schools having absolutely NO FILTER when it comes to how they treat others because they are use to their parents cutting a check. The haves and the have nots can be a much bigger problem than in public.

As a black person, you will find some private school kids have some of the most IGNORANT views about black people and will expect you to be self-hating c00n mode if you have ANY hope of fitting in socially. They aren't use to minorities and often quite a few white parents send their kids to private schools to GET AWAY FROM black people. When I mean ignorant like white kids coming up to you speaking broken ebonics asking you for weed assuming all blacks sell drugs.
:mjlol: They will also say stupid shyt like this \/ \/ \/ \/ \/
tumblr_n1s2qo69551tucgl1o1_1280.jpg



Again there are some amazing private schools but don't act like private school are without flaws. There are upper echelon ones that are run like college campuses like Trinity School, Horace Mann, Phillips Exeter Academy, etc which are reserved for the upper crust of americans are nearly bulletproof in quality. These are reserved for doctor/lawyer/dentist/successful P.hD scientist/CEOs/top tier politicians/Bank owners children and usually have about 30-40% go to Ivy schools.

A lot of these other average private schools are religious(white GOP evangelical version) or basic secular are bugged with problems and isn't all what its cracked up to be. Try to get yourself into a good quality public school district and you will be Gucci without have to drop 10K+ a year PER child on the lower end and 30-40K a year for upper levels per child.:sas1:

the curriculum of a school should be left up to the parent and the school, as long as the curriculum and the students meets minimum standards, it is what it is

and i think whats going over your head is that switching to charters and private school vouchers will allow black educators to open up their own schools, so black people need to focus on opening up black schools, not about what white people are doing

the rest of your post is just general commentary about private schools that is neither here nor there on the importance of private school vouchers

if a parent is worried about how their kid will be treated at a private school, then dont send them to private school, end of story.....see how simple that is?

the point of charters schools and vouchers is that you have a choice
 

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There's a problem here.

The source in the OP is a far right wing shyt rag that features commentary from such socio-political "luminaries" as Michelle Malkin, Levin, and Charlie Daniels. The article in question is an agenda-consumed mess that jumps right into personal subjective commentary, and provides no link the findings from the study these numbers supposedly derive from. At the end the article is a tacky grift message begging for contributions from readers. In short, the source provided by the OP is highly questionable (we'll ignore the fact that they are railing against govt. and yet using a govt study).

So I googled "DC schools, 29,349 per pupil"...again, the only sources that repeated this "study" were far right wing websites like free republic, WND, and for good measure sites like st0rmfr0nt and blogs that titled the article "the govt. spends 30,000 on the negro student".

So while Im not going to jump the gun here and accuse the OP of being a stromfront plant, I'd like for him or her to provide us with a link to the actual study, or a site that at least has a passing interest in objectivity and serious journalism, while also not maintaining an interest in racist groupthink. Thanks.
Typical ad hominem liberal attack. Not surprising.....:smh:
 

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DC Charter Schools Sue City Over Funding Gap

A battle between charter schools and the nation’s capital continues to escalate.

Dozens of Washington, D.C. charter schools are launching a lawsuit against the District and Mayor Vincent Gray, claiming they have been systematically shortchanged in funding by a hostile city administration.

The D.C. Association of Chartered Public Schools claims that the city has underfunded charter schools by more than $2,000 per student, per year compared to the D.C. Public Schools (DCPS). The total shortfall since fiscal year 2008, they claim, is over $770 million. The gap, the association says, is a violation of a Congressional command that charter schools receive the same amount of funding as ordinary public schools. It also materially disadvantages the charters, they claim, making them struggle to pay competitive teacher salaries.

The plaintiffs support their claims of a disparity with a study commissioned by D.C.’s own government. The study, released last January, found that public schools benefit from an indirect subsidy through millions of dollars in in-kind support offered by other branches of the D.C. government. For example, the city’s Department of General Services provided far more free facilities maintenance to regular public schools than it did to charters.

“These funding disparities are contrary to D.C. law,” the report concluded.

Other sources of unfairness proliferate, the lawsuit says. Charter schools have their per-pupil funds calculated exclusively on the basis of confirmed enrollments , while DCPS is allowed to rely on estimates of how many students will be enrolled in the coming school year. With DCPS seeing steadily declining enrollment, these estimates are often inflated, the charter advocates claim.

In the past, the city has defended some of these sources of the funding disparity by arguing that DCPS is hamstrung by the need to hire union labor and by the requirement that schools be able to enroll new students throughout the year, of any background. Charter schools do not have such limitations. The plaintiffs argue, however, that such arguments are irrelevant when contrasted with a clear Congressional mandate that charters and public schools be funded identically.

D.C.’s charter school program is one of the nation’s most ambitious, with its approximately 37,000 participating students comprising over 40 percent of all publicly-funded schoolchildren in the city.

The Center for Education Reform (CER), a pro-charter school group, said the lawsuit was an unfortunate necessity brought about by the city government’s failure to close a very obvious gap.

“Across the nation, charter schools continuously get cheated out of resources, even in places like the District of Columbia where charter schools currently serve as an educational lifeline for 44 percent of the public school population,” CER president Kara Kerwin said in a statement sent to The Daily Caller News Foundation.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/31/dc-charter-schools-sue-city-over-funding-gap/
 
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