I_Got_Da_Burna
Superstar
i'm curious to see where your hypothetical utopian society has existed and thrived in human history.
@Dead7 please give us your perfect libertarian society
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I'm a minarchist, so i want govt. as small, and as limited as possible. The exact size will fluctuate so there is no clear answer as to "how small" or "how limited". But if we could limit the state to only its legitimate functions... we'd be better for it imo.
I think a night-watchmen state supported by a flat negative income tax would be ideal
That said, i think America is strongest in the middle bouncing back and forth between the opposing views.
I think a night-watchmen state supported by a flat negative income tax would be ideal
That said, i think America is strongest in the middle bouncing back and forth between the opposing views.
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mc_brew
#NotMyPresident
As the official spokesman for the Lord Free Market Society (LFMS) and Free Marketists everywhere, let me answer on behalf of @DEAD7 , who is tied up in a meeting with the International Free Marketists Association (IFMA).
What us Free Marketists would like is a world where no government has authority over any businessman (not businessperson, businessman -- we are not politically correct, women should not be able to own businesses).
Individuals who do not own businesses would be acceptable targets for a limited amount of laws, such as being restricted in their travel (the Great Wall of Trump will prevent s̶l̶a̶v̶e̶s̶ workers from being able to leave the U.S. while preventing parasites from entering), not allowed to practice Sharia Law, not allowed to have abortions, or to file litigation against any business or businessman.
We do not believe in lawsuits because we believe any time a mistake is made, the free market will either automatically correct the problem on its own or will eliminate the individual complaining about the problem. There will be no more minimum wage nor forced benefits. This will free s̶l̶a̶v̶e̶s̶ workers to able to work for a penny a day, if they choose. In today's world that is hyper regulated by Obama, people cannot negotiate a wage lower than $7.25 an hour. This prices many poor fools out of the job market. In a world run by Free Marketists, there would be no unemployment. Really, in the 1700s did anyone ever hear about an unemployed minority?
These are just a few things us Free Marketists believe. I hope you found this helpful.
M.C. Brew's Alter Ego,
Spokesman for the Lord Free Market Society
What us Free Marketists would like is a world where no government has authority over any businessman (not businessperson, businessman -- we are not politically correct, women should not be able to own businesses).
Individuals who do not own businesses would be acceptable targets for a limited amount of laws, such as being restricted in their travel (the Great Wall of Trump will prevent s̶l̶a̶v̶e̶s̶ workers from being able to leave the U.S. while preventing parasites from entering), not allowed to practice Sharia Law, not allowed to have abortions, or to file litigation against any business or businessman.
We do not believe in lawsuits because we believe any time a mistake is made, the free market will either automatically correct the problem on its own or will eliminate the individual complaining about the problem. There will be no more minimum wage nor forced benefits. This will free s̶l̶a̶v̶e̶s̶ workers to able to work for a penny a day, if they choose. In today's world that is hyper regulated by Obama, people cannot negotiate a wage lower than $7.25 an hour. This prices many poor fools out of the job market. In a world run by Free Marketists, there would be no unemployment. Really, in the 1700s did anyone ever hear about an unemployed minority?
These are just a few things us Free Marketists believe. I hope you found this helpful.
M.C. Brew's Alter Ego,
Spokesman for the Lord Free Market Society
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Jhoon
Spontaneous Mishaps and Hijinks
You're asking a bozo to explain bozo economic policies?
I_Got_Da_Burna
Superstar
in other words, "Hold up, I need to go scan a libertarian website/message board for an answer real quick"
I never understood this argument. A lot of times no one on here is much of an expert on anything economically related, especially finance. Some of us have advance science degrees, but when it comes to macro economics, I'd venture to say that 90% of HL really has no formal education in the matter, but we do try to find the best sources of information that help us to come to better informed positions.
Jhoon
Spontaneous Mishaps and Hijinks
What a bunch of croc.
American libertarianism is trash.
I_Got_Da_Burna
Superstar
Well Panesh, in America, normally when a person adopts a position, they can actually defend the position.
I didn't ask him for a macroeconomic example, because I know he can't find one. If he wants to find a microeconmic example of his principles, I would be more than willing to accept that.
A purely libertarian society couldn't exist short of us all being subsistence farmers. Even then, it would be messy.
I consider myself a libertarian* with an asterisks. I'm generally socially liberal and generally fiscally conservative. I do believe on the fiscal side the government needs to intervene to make up for where the market doesn't serve. I would say that would be transportation, education, medical emergencies and environmental protection (tragedy of the commons). If those 4 are PROPERLY (not like how they are now) provided then you have a society with maximum mobility and minimum drag. The idea is your earnings should = (quantity of work x how hard your type of labor is to replace x risk) as much as possible, which also isn't rewarded in the crony capitalistic society we have now.
I'm not an economic expert (and I doubt anyone on here is either) so if you expect me to run the numbers for you, sorry.
I consider myself a libertarian* with an asterisks. I'm generally socially liberal and generally fiscally conservative. I do believe on the fiscal side the government needs to intervene to make up for where the market doesn't serve. I would say that would be transportation, education, medical emergencies and environmental protection (tragedy of the commons). If those 4 are PROPERLY (not like how they are now) provided then you have a society with maximum mobility and minimum drag. The idea is your earnings should = (quantity of work x how hard your type of labor is to replace x risk) as much as possible, which also isn't rewarded in the crony capitalistic society we have now.
I'm not an economic expert (and I doubt anyone on here is either) so if you expect me to run the numbers for you, sorry.
I_Got_Da_Burna
Superstar
This is fine, and I am not against the concept of fiscal conservation. From a top down view, I AM NOT AGAINST THESE PRINCIPLES. I care about how these principles ARE APPLIED. When it comes to specific policies, I find that the libertarian argument breaks down into a laissez-faire approach.
For example, I see that you did not mention having a national defense. Do you believe in having a military, and if so, how big or small do you want it?
Do you believe in social safety nets?
Do you believe in business regulations? Safe working conditions? Child labor laws? A minimum wage?
I've found that libertarianism is hard to define because it also depends on the inidividual. For example, many libertarians would not consider you as a libertarian just off the fact you'd want government intervening in education and environmental protection. Or I've read and heard this on blogs, at least.
There's a lot of meaty questions in here and I have classes so I'll have to get to this later but for your last point I would say the term "libertarian" is no more broad then saying you're a "liberal" "conservative" "socialist" "capitalist" "authoritarian" etc.