Democratic Party Rebuild

[Robbie3000]

I mean, maybe that's true but there's no evidence.

It could just as easily say that Kamala lost because of sexism and racism, and maybe they chose not to release it because that wouldn't come off well (even if it's true). Israel is absolutely terrible don't get me wrong, but not everything in politics is always about Israel.

In this case that’s what the Axios article is reporting. I can’t imagine any other reason to hide the post Morten report other than to protect Israeli interests.

They are refusing to give a specific reason why the report wasn’t released.

Our Domestic well being was sacrificed for a foreign nation and we should be making sure that the never happens again.

 

[wire28]

I mean, maybe that's true but there's no evidence.

It could just as easily say that Kamala lost because of sexism and racism, and maybe they chose not to release it because that wouldn't come off well (even if it's true). Israel is absolutely terrible don't get me wrong, but not everything in politics is always about Israel.

Sounds like something, a Zionist would say

 

[King Kreole]

I come back from posting sabbatical and @Outlaw has pledged fealty to Sinwar and is railing against the ZOG

 

[Pressure]

Israel is absolutely terrible don't get me wrong, but not everything in politics is always about Israel.

Buckle in. Gonna be a long 3 years. A bunch of Jewish guys running the media pushing anti Israel sentiment to grow liberal voter apathy and convince conservatives and Christian circles to double and triple down.

 

[acri1]

Buckle in. Gonna be a long 3 years. A bunch of Jewish guys running the media pushing anti Israel sentiment to grow liberal voter apathy and convince conservatives and Christian circles to double and triple down.

I mean, Israel deserves any amount of hate it gets if you're against genocide and ethnic cleansing you should hate the Israeli government

My thing is, I just don't buy that it swung the election. Foreign policy issues rarely do. Kamala would've lost regardless of what position she took with regards to Israel, and the same is probably true for Biden. And again, I'm not saying his policy towards Israel wasn't terrible, I just think he'd have lost even if Gaza never happened.

 

[FAH1223]

pretendstobeshocked.gif almost like the party of voters that care about civil rights, human rights etc would be emphatic and concerned about about genocides.

I don't see where the controversey is. Even Kamala herself has been saying it.

The question is will elected Dems and the DNC learn from this?

The answer: No way. It'll double down on the same failed approach. Jake Sullivan, Brett McGurk will still be seen as 'credible' voices even when they should not serve in another Dem admin again

Driving the news: DNC aides putting together the report on Harris' loss to Donald Trump had a closed-door conversation with a pro-Palestinian group about the Israel-Gaza conflict.

• Activists from the IMEU Policy Project told the DNC that the Biden-Harris administration's support for Israel was a factor in the party's losses because it drained support from some young people and progressives.
• Hamid Bendaas, a spokesperson for the IMEU Policy Project, said that during the meeting "the DNC shared with us that their own data also found that policy was, in their words, a 'net-negative' in the 2024 election." Two other senior aides at the pro-Palestinian organization also said the DNC had drawn that conclusion.
• Axios independently verified that Democratic officials conducting the autopsy believed the issue harmed the party's standing with some voters.

The intrigue: The IMEU Policy Project is now accusing the DNC of withholding its report in part because of its findings on Israel.

• DNC spokesperson Kendall Witmer denied that.
• When DNC officials announced last year that they wouldn't release the audit, they said it was because they didn't want the report to distract from the work of winning elections.

What they're saying: The DNC confirmed that it spoke with the IMEU Policy Project and hundreds of others as part of its analysis and said it was grateful for the conversation but didn't provide additional details about it.

• Bendaas said the DNC should share its findings on Israel widely throughout the party ahead of the "critical" midterms.
• DNC officials have said they're integrating their research from the audit into discussions with candidates and campaigns.

Asked for comment, a Harris aide pointed to the former vice president's recent comments about the war in Gaza on a tour stop for her memoir, "107 Days."

• "We should have done more as an administration," Harris said at the event, adding "we should have spoken publicly about our criticism" of how Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu executed the war.

Flashback: Harris said in her book that President Biden's unpopularity, which she argued was partly because of "his perceived blank check" to Netanyahu, harmed her in 2024.

• Harris wrote that she privately "pleaded" with Biden to show more empathy for civilians in Gaza. But during her campaign, she declined to publicly break with him over Israel.

 

[FAH1223]

I mean, Israel deserves any amount of hate it gets if you're against genocide and ethnic cleansing you should hate the Israeli government

My thing is, I just don't buy that it swung the election. Foreign policy issues rarely do. Kamala would've lost regardless of what position she took with regards to Israel, and the same is probably true for Biden. And again, I'm not saying his policy towards Israel wasn't terrible, I just think he'd have lost even if Gaza never happened.

I think Biden is in a much stronger position if Gaza didn't happen and if the debate didn't happen.

His approvals were rising in September 2023 and he was beginning to re-take the lead in national polls.

Even before the disastrous debate, his poll numbers were rising.

 

[wire28]

I mean, Israel deserves any amount of hate it gets if you're against genocide and ethnic cleansing you should hate the Israeli government

My thing is, I just don't buy that it swung the election. Foreign policy issues rarely do. Kamala would've lost regardless of what position she took with regards to Israel, and the same is probably true for Biden. And again, I'm not saying his policy towards Israel wasn't terrible, I just think he'd have lost even if Gaza never happened.

You still in Michigan? I remember we was getting flyers Kamala was pro isreal one week and pro Palestine the next the GQP was fooling

 

[Pressure]

I mean, Israel deserves any amount of hate it gets if you're against genocide and ethnic cleansing you should hate the Israeli government

Israel is of no importance to me. Whatever happens over there happens and I won't ever lose sleep no matter the outcome .

My thing is, I just don't buy that it swung the election. Foreign policy issues rarely do. Kamala would've lost regardless of what position she took with regards to Israel, and the same is probably true for Biden. And again, I'm not saying his policy towards Israel wasn't terrible, I just think he'd have lost even if Gaza never happened.

Of course. We lived it in real time.

Biden dropped out because he was old as shyt. His debate performance sealed the deal on that.

Kamala just wasn't a good candidate and she never was her saving grace for people to bite the pill is that she was not Trump.

No change in position on Israel her policy position was going to get her over the hump.

 

[Pressure]

I think Biden is in a much stronger position if Gaza didn't happen and if the debate didn't happen.

His approvals were rising in September 2023 and he was beginning to re-take the lead in national polls.

Even before the disastrous debate, his poll numbers were rising.

The DNC should have wheeled his old out there and left him on the ballot.

The idea that there was no primary and people were forced to vote on a candidate they didn't vote for is without a doubt one of the most troubling issues they'd gladly cover.

It's even worth leaking a story that Gaza would have swayed the election to soothe the beast than actually have to show criticisms that would require actually making systemic change.

 

[Hood Critic]

The DNC should have wheeled his old out there and left him on the ballot.

The idea that there was no primary and people were forced to vote on a candidate they didn't vote for is without a doubt one of the most troubling issues they'd gladly cover.

It's even worth leaking a story that Gaza would have swayed the election to soothe the beast than actually have to show criticisms that would require actually making systemic change.

I feel like they're more embarrassed by this than their position on Israel and Gaza.

 

[FAH1223]

Devastating for Mills

 

[folasade]

Devastating for Mills

When the voters didn't give a damn about the tattoo it was a wrap for Mills.

 

[Pressure]

When the voters didn't give a damn about the tattoo it was a wrap for Mills.

These are our allies

 

[MAKAVELI25]

The DNC should have wheeled his old out there and left him on the ballot.

The idea that there was no primary and people were forced to vote on a candidate they didn't vote for is without a doubt one of the most troubling issues they'd gladly cover.

It's even worth leaking a story that Gaza would have swayed the election to soothe the beast than actually have to show criticisms that would require actually making systemic change.

I don't think there is any evidence showing that Biden would have done better than Kamala in the 24 election, I would argue that the available evidence shows that he would have done worse.

• Biden's own internal polling apparently showed that Trump would win by 400+ electoral votes
• There was a huge surge in enthusiasm when she was announced, those first couple of weeks were sensational. I don't think there would have been that same surge in enthusiasm if Biden had remained on the ticket.
• Polls closer to the election were saying that she was picking up Latino/black males as well as younger voters (obviously, she did not do as well as she needed).

Arguing counterfactuals is usually a waste of time, but I don't see a strong argument showing that Biden would have done better than she.