Democratic Party Rebuild

[Outlaw]

Need a tea party like movement this summer, Schumer and jefferies have to go asap if the party wants to survive

yes if you’re not happy with the Dem party, challenge and replace them in primaries

 

[Micky Mikey]

This is why democrats should do nothing.

Lay down and wait. Let the fight come to you. Conserve your energy.

Terrible strategy. People aren't asking Dem leadership to move mountains. We just want them to fukking talk and communicate with the American people in a manner that exudes a sense of urgency. Why not use everything going on to build momentum going into the midterms? I don't even think "do nothing and wait" is their ultimate strategy. Its just severe ineptitude when it comes to messaging.

 

[Loose]

Lmaooooooo

 

[Loose]

Terrible strategy. People aren't asking Dem leadership to move mountains. We just want them to fukking talk and communicate with the American people in a manner that exudes a sense of urgency. Why not use everything going on to build momentum going into the midterms? I don't even think "do nothing and wait" is their ultimate strategy. Its just severe ineptitude when it comes to messaging.

Naps right! Dems don't need to connect the dots to why these cuts are important, I'm sure that will work!

 

[Micky Mikey]

Naps right! Dems don't need to connect the dots to why these cuts are important, I'm sure that will work!

Naps position seems to be that voters are stupid (which they are) and that they'll come back to their senses after a certain amount of pain is felt. Therefore, all Dems have to do is "wait and see".

Well if voters are that stupid, why would you expect them to connect dots on their own? Especially in a media ecosystem that purposely misleads them and saps their attention. They tried the same tactic with Project 2025. They expected voters to do their own homework and read up on a 1000 page document. Voters have to be educated. We need politicians who can both play politics and communicate effectively.

 

[Loose]

Naps position seems to be that voters are stupid (which they are) and that they'll come back to their senses after a certain amount of pain is felt. Therefore, all Dems have to do is "wait and see".

Well if voters are that stupid, why would you expect them to connect dots on their own? Especially in a media ecosystem that purposely misleads them and saps their attention. They tried the same tactic with Project 2025. They expected voters to do their own homework and read up on a 1000 page document. Voters have to be educated. We need politicians who can both play politics and communicate effectively.

Which is why his takes are terrible, by not connecting the dots you allow all republicans to easily distance themselves from elon musk once everything falls apart. When it eventually does collapse republicans will just frame it as " well we never knew what musk was actually doing, you'll have to ask elon musk!" Musk trump congress are all on the same team.

 

[the next guy]

I think they're going to throw transpeople under the bus.

 

[Ciggavelli]

I think they're going to throw transpeople under the bus.

They already have. That shyt is over. The trans shyt (not to make Nap's point for him) cost us some votes. People are bigoted. We need to realize that. People don't like the trans shyt. They think it's weird and unnatural. Drop the trans shyt and focus in on other things. The trans shyt did not work. I don't give a fukk about trans shyt. If somebody wants to be a woman, how does that affect me? I don't give a shyt. Neither does the public. But the republican leadership made it a wedge issue. It worked. Now is time to abandon the trans shyt. It's not helping. Maybe we can help them after dems are back in power, but now is not the time. Nap is really into stopping the trans shyt. He is partially right. We need to abandon it, at least for now. The trans shyt lost us some votes.

 

[the cac mamba]

Need a tea party like movement this summer, Schumer and jefferies have to go asap if the party wants to survive

Jeffries is fine. having a young black guy from new york represent half of Dem leadership is good representation. and no, he's not "too corporate", or whatever clown complaints that weird progressives have. Jeffries represents normal democrats; the majority of the base

the problem is schumer. we CANNOT pair jeffries, with an old jew from new york that's way too much new york in leadership

get a Dem senator from anything resembling a swing state, and make them the senate majority leader. hell, make amy klobuchar the leader

 

[the next guy]

Jeffries is fine. having a young black guy from new york represent half of Dem leadership is good representation. and no, he's not "too corporate", or whatever clown complaints that weird progressives have. Jeffries represents normal democrats; the majority of the base

the problem is schumer. we CANNOT pair jeffries, with an old jew from new york that's way too much new york

get a Dem senator from anything resembling a swing state, and make them the senate majority leader. hell, make amy klobuchar the leader

Welcome back

Jeffries is not loud. You don't have to be a leftist but you need to be in everyone's face about Trump and Elon's behaviour.

 

[the cac mamba]

Welcome back

Jeffries is not loud. You don't have to be a leftist but you need to be in everyone's face about Trump and Elon's behaviour.

Pelosi is one of the most ruthless gangsters to ever grace the halls of Washington DC, and no one would have accused her of being "loud"

if you need that kind of performative shyt from Dems, tap AOC. the fact is that Trump and Elon haven't really done anything yet that the average American is outraged about. they're on course to crash out; but not yet

 

[the cac mamba]

I think they're going to throw transpeople under the bus.

liberals have no right to characterize it this way. the reason they lose 85/15 on the issue, is simply because they're wrong. dead wrong

protecting women and women's spaces from mentally ill men, is not "throwing anyone under the bus"; it's prioritizing 50% of the country over .000001% of the country. the governor of maine is an embarrassing fool

but i'm not gonna bring this shyt up anymore, in this thread. if progressives want to keep killing the party's image over this nonsense, and fukking the Dems over outside of dark blue areas, who am i to stop them?

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

They already have. That shyt is over. The trans shyt (not to make Nap's point for him) cost us some votes. People are bigoted. We need to realize that. People don't like the trans shyt. They think it's weird and unnatural. Drop the trans shyt and focus in on other things. The trans shyt did not work. I don't give a fukk about trans shyt. If somebody wants to be a woman, how does that affect me? I don't give a shyt. Neither does the public. But the republican leadership made it a wedge issue. It worked. Now is time to abandon the trans shyt. It's not helping. Maybe we can help them after dems are back in power, but now is not the time. Nap is really into stopping the trans shyt. He is partially right. We need to abandon it, at least for now. The trans shyt lost us some votes.

If Democrats adopt this strategy, they can forget about my vote. If they're willing to abandon one of the most vulnerable groups just because Republicans turned them into an easy scapegoat, then what comes next? That kind of cowardice does not instill confidence in voters. You don't win by throwing people under the bus and promising to "come back for them later."

The real problem is that Democrats are too weak. They cede the narrative to Republicans when they should be forcefully pushing back. This wasn't an issue until Republicans made it one. Polling has consistently shown that most Americans don't support laws that explicitly discriminate against trans people. Surveys from groups like PRRI and Pew have shown that the majority oppose bans on gender-affirming care, bathroom restrictions, and other attacks. The only reason negative perceptions have grown is because Republicans made trans rights into a wedge issue through relentless fearmongering. They manufactured that outrage, and now some people think the right response is to reward that by caving? That's not how you win. That's how you teach them that this strategy works. And what happens when they switch targets? Because we know that once you signal that marginalized groups are expendable, it never stops with just one. Do we abandon them too? If Democrats won't fight for the most vulnerable now, then why should anyone believe they'll do it later?

 

[Ciggavelli]

If Democrats adopt this strategy, they can forget about my vote. If they're willing to abandon one of the most vulnerable groups just because Republicans turned them into an easy scapegoat, then what comes next? That kind of cowardice does not instill confidence in voters. You don't win by throwing people under the bus and promising to "come back for them later."

The real problem is that Democrats are too weak. They cede the narrative to Republicans when they should be forcefully pushing back. This wasn't an issue until Republicans made it one. Polling has consistently shown that most Americans don't support laws that explicitly discriminate against trans people. Surveys from groups like PRRI and Pew have shown that the majority oppose bans on gender-affirming care, bathroom restrictions, and other attacks. The only reason negative perceptions have grown is because Republicans made trans rights into a wedge issue through relentless fearmongering. They manufactured that outrage, and now some people think the right response is to reward that by caving? That's not how you win. That's how you teach them that this strategy works. And what happens when they switch targets? Because we know that once you signal that marginalized groups are expendable, it never stops with just one. Do we abandon them too? If Democrats won't fight for the most vulnerable now, then why should anyone believe they'll do it later?

You make good points, but we are in a different time now. The only solution is to stop Musk and Trump. That's all we should care about. Yeah, some marginalized groups will hurt, but we are in different times. Now is not the time to fight for trans rights. It just isn't. The public doesn't like it. Dying on the trans hill will not work. It's just not time. The only thing we need to do now is stop Trump and Musk. That's all that matter. The periphery shyt can come later. Now is just the time to stop Trump and Musk. If that means abandoning certain groups, than so be it. We just need to do everything in our power to stop Trump and Musk. That's all that matters. Now is not the time for trans rights, as much as that sucks. Now is the time to stop the tyrant. That's all that matters.

 

[the cac mamba]

here's a good start for the Dems; they should be referring to Trump as "Putin's bytch". and yeah; use that exact phrase

i'm still mad that the tone of the 2024 campaign was fear of Trump, not mockery of Trump. start talking about how Putin has this clown on a dog leash. Putin is Trump's boss. make THAT the narrative; because it's true