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Democratic Party Rebuild
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Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
A lot of “brehs” in this thread have a problem with black folks having the first say, interesting 
Do your yimby brain just goes off nonsense and dont actually research the things you're saying ? Florida for example the biggest migration move during the pandemic is in the verge of going through a housing crash with ghost towns and migration down 75%. High taxes insurance etc have essentially started to kill Florida, people are now leaving florida. Florida is on the pace to being the next Italy, with high average age ans high cost of living. Over the next decade the population in Florida will drop dramatically
You more concerned with helping republicans win thats why you like wasting resources on south CarolinaA lot of “brehs” in this thread have a problem with black folks having the first say, interesting
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
I know Mr. “I have to tip my cap to Trump” isn’t talkingYou more concerned with helping republicans win thats why you like wasting resources on south Carolina
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
I say it because it's the most (potentially only) actually democratic method. The scheduled primary system ends up disenfranchising the vast majority of party voters by making the worth of an early state voter magnitudes more powerful than that of a later state voter. The race is almost always over after Super Tuesday so any resident of the majority of states that have primaries after Super Tuesday often can't even vote for their preferred candidate. It's a ridiculous vestige of the political boss/machine era of politics, which is why we have all these candidates making the pilgrimage down to a fukkin South Carolina fish fry to kiss James Clyburn's nuts. Just think of why it would be a massive fukking problem if the Presidential election took place on state-by-state delayed schedule. Same rationale applies to the primary.
As far as name recognition, there were 7 nationally televised debates before Super Tuesday. The leading candidate according to polls had changed multiple times in that timespan. There are multiple opportunities for the party to give all eligible candidates enough time to make their case to the entire Democratic voting base. Especially in this day and age of centralized media, candidates should no longer have to go and glad-hand the board of some New Hampshire newspaper or stuff their faces with at some Iowa cow festival. It's stupid and frankly unbecoming of a serious democracy. The office of the Presidency has national purview, so too should the primary campaign.
You'd listen to me trump wouldnt be electedI know Mr. “I have to tip my cap to Trump” isn’t talking
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
Your ideology is running from SC Blacks, I’m not so sure about thatYou'd listen to me trump wouldnt be elected
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
A same day primary would give every Democratic Party voter the same power (delegate counts notwithstanding). Which is...you know...the point of democracy. Black folks would still end up with a disproportionate amount of power in the Democratic Primary with a same day primary, but this time it would be earned due to having more numerical representation within the party as opposed to some undemocratic backroom horse-trading by party elites. No one group should have the "first say" in a democracy. One person, one vote.A lot of “brehs” in this thread have a problem with black folks having the first say, interesting
when last time dems won sc for sc to be deciding elections ?Your ideology is running from SC Blacks, I’m not so sure about that
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
I disagree, a granular primary is the best for long shot candidates with little name recognition.
Debates aren’t enough because not every voter watches them and establishment media would favorably give good press to establishment candidates. Harder to build a grass roots movement without momentum
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
I agree that an undemocratic system that prioritizes backroom horse-trading and gives an unrepresentative segment of the population massively overvalued voting power can provide a long-shot candidate with little name recognition a better chance of winning the primary because they can more easily game that system. But I don't think the point of elections/primaries is to give long shot candidates with little name recognition the best chance. I think the point of elections/primaries is to democratically reflect the will of the entire voting base. A same day primary does that much better than this state-by-state scheduled primary. It simply does not make sense that all the Democratic voters in Michigan, Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Georgia, New York, and many other states combined all collectively had less effect on the primary than voters in Iowa and South Carolina alone. That's fundamentally undemocratic. It's similar to the structurally undemocratic problems with the electoral college. That should be abolished as well.
I think there are probably more voters watching the 7 national primary debates than watching the Iowa caucus. Both the debates and the Iowa caucus (and other early state primaries) are primarily impactful due to the national media apparatus. That's who anoints and gives momentum to the long-shot candidate with little name recognition who win the early primaries and allows them to be considered viable eventual winner of the primary. With a same-day primary system, that candidate can still pick up juice and momentum via nationally broadcasted debates and town halls before primary day, but this time it would be based on their campaign platform instead of what type of deals their campaign manager was able to strike with James Clyburn or the Iowa Board of Commerce. Establishment media currently gives favorably good press to establishment candidates anyway, that's not going to change, that's just about the ideological capture of our news/media industrial complex, word to Noam Chomsky. But it is easier than ever before to build a grassroots campaign and movement while circumventing that system, and would be even more so if every Democratic voter in the country feels like their vote will actually count. Like, in 2020 Andrew Yang and Tom Steyer did better than higher name recognition establishment-supported candidates like Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, and Beto O'Rourke who all dropped out before Super Tuesday.
These the people @Outlaw @the cac mamba and gang want to do bipartisanship bills with 
. But they should vote on a white women dying bill republicans should be looked at as the manics they're
. But they should vote on a white women dying bill republicans should be looked at as the manics they're Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
These the people @Outlaw @the cac mamba and gang want to do bipartisanship bills with
You shyt on democrats so much that Republicans would pay you to post if the coli was a bigger & more influential site.
I’m way more partisan than you breh, try a different angle next time
Stop it i only shyt on democrat leaders around folks that I know cant be easily influenced by " both sides" tm. You aren't partisan, you’re just a democrat apologist thats the difference between me and you.
I see the below as threats to the party that should be exterminated :
Endless wars including genocides
Supporting foreign superpacs that threaten the party
Voting against bills that benefit the poor
Undemocratic primaries which we havent had a real one sinde obama