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Its 2025 we now have q whole generation of new voters that don't know what you're talking about. This talking point no longer holds up. shyt I wasnt even paying for health insurance in 2008 myself. Time to move to something new breh
You've said a lot of dumb things but you may have just topped yourself.

Imagine saying that because an entire generation of people who either don't pay for health care because they're under their parents coverage until 24-26 (a benefit of the ACA) or simply just don't have any and don't go to the doctor is why everyone should move on from the ACA. And then to follow that up with a, look at me, i turned out fine.
 

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You've said a lot of dumb things but you may have just topped yourself.

Imagine saying that because an entire generation of people who either don't pay for health care because they're under their parents coverage until 24-26 (a benefit of the ACA) or simply just don't have any and don't go to the doctor is why everyone should move on from the ACA. And then to follow that up with a, look at me, i turned out fine.
I have no idea what you're going on about—this isn't even remotely related to what I was saying.

We’re dealing with an entire generation of voters, aged 18 to 40 and beyond, who never paid for healthcare before the Affordable Care Act was implemented. From their adult perspective, the only system they've known is the one we have now—and it's anything but affordable. You can keep reaching back to 2010 to defend the status quo if that’s your hill to die on, but this generation isn’t buying it. They don’t see the ACA as a solution—they see it as the problem. Of course they would rather keep it over nothing, but it isn't a great solution
 

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I have no idea what you're going on about—this isn't even remotely related to what I was saying.

We’re dealing with an entire generation of voters, aged 18 to 40 and beyond, who never paid for healthcare before the Affordable Care Act was implemented. From their adult perspective, the only system they've known is the one we have now—and it's anything but affordable. You can keep reaching back to 2010 to defend the status quo if that’s your hill to die on, but this generation isn’t buying it. They don’t see the ACA as a solution—they see it as the problem. Of course they would rather keep it over nothing, but it isn't a great solution
How has a 40 year old in 2025 never paid for healthcare prior to the ACA genius? The ACA didn't go into effect until 2014. Your entire premise is idiotic and shows that you don't understand what ACA is and how it works.
 

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How has a 40 year old in 2025 never paid for healthcare prior to the ACA genius?
Because most people dont give a fukk about health insurance until they're at the age they feel like they need it genius
 
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Shut down the government over illegals brehs :mjlol:
Undocumented immigrants are barred by law from enrolling in Medicare, Medicaid, or CHIP, and they are not allowed to buy coverage through the ACA exchanges or receive any of the subsidies Democrats are trying to preserve. The only care they can access is emergency treatment under EMTALA or limited emergency Medicaid, which is not full healthcare coverage. Your claim that the shutdown is over "free healthcare for illegals" is a GOP invented political mischaracterization, NOT fact. But I am open to seeing you prove otherwise.


A fight over health policy drove the current federal government shutdown.

At issue is the cost of premiums for health care plans people buy on the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, marketplaces.

Enhanced tax credits for these premiums expire at the end of the year. Since 2021, those have kept ACA plans affordable for people who get their insurance this way.

Earlier this week, Democrats in the Senate refused to vote for the Republican short-term funding bill that did not include an extension of the enhanced premium tax credits.

So why do they matter?

The enhanced tax credits are important for people who don't get health insurance through their job or a public program like Medicare or Medicaid. This year enrollment hit a record 24 million.

That is only about 7% of the U.S. population, but the people who rely on these plans are an influential group that includes small business owners, farmers and ranchers, says Cynthia Cox, vice president and director of the Program on the ACA at the nonpartisan health research organization KFF.

Cox and her team just did an analysis on what will happen to people's premiums next year if Congress doesn't extend the enhanced subsidies.

"On average, we're expecting premium payments by enrollees to increase by 114%," she says.

That means a lot of people are going to have to pay double the monthly premium they're paying now.

Im not sure what he is, its irrelevant his accessment on the affordable care act is correct its not affordable
It's not irrelevant. Bro, what's wrong with you? Why are you so willing to lie down with these bad-faith actors? This dude is a blind Trump-supporting zealot, who couldn't care less about healthcare. He is only repeating what they tell him to repeat. Jumping in bed with people like this only helps legitimize their lies, not make it easier to fight for something better than the ACA. They would oppose a hypothetical replacement too. You need to start thinking these things through, man, because this "Dems bad" shyt is clouding your judgement.


Enough is enough. They (and we) acted like it was AWESOME for too long. It’s a failure and WE have to accept that. We deserve a better healthcare system.
Affordable care act is garbage, dems love their political norms they dont like change
Enough is enough. They (and we) acted like it was AWESOME for too long. It’s a failure and WE have to accept that. We deserve a better healthcare system.
I'm sick of this absolutist framing people constantly engage in. The ACA isn't "garbage," nor is it "perfect." This kind of binary thinking erases real, measurable improvements to our healthcare system that the ACA is responsible for. You can't ignore how millions gained coverage, Medicaid was expanded to give low-income adults access to preventive and comprehensive care in most states that adopted it, and how protections like guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions became law. It's imperfect, because deductibles and cost issues still remain, but a huge part of those struggles come from sabotage, not just design.

Thanks to the SCOTUS, the Medicaid expansion was made optional. Thanks to Trump, the mandate was gutted, outreach funding was slashed, and junk plans were promoted -- all of this helped destabilize the market. If your problem is affordability, why cheer on the very sabotage that made it worse? And if you think the ACA isn't universal enough, that's fine -- then argue for building on it (like Medicare for All). But if you want it gone with no replacement, you're arguing to strip coverage and protections from millions.

Like, what makes you think something better could survive when this system is constantly being attacked, sabotaged, and threatened with repeal?


 

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Undocumented immigrants are barred by law from enrolling in Medicare, Medicaid, or CHIP, and they are not allowed to buy coverage through the ACA exchanges or receive any of the subsidies Democrats are trying to preserve. The only care they can access is emergency treatment under EMTALA or limited emergency Medicaid, which is not full healthcare coverage. Your claim that the shutdown is over "free healthcare for illegals" is a GOP invented political mischaracterization, NOT fact. But I am open to seeing you prove otherwise.





It's not irrelevant. Bro, what's wrong with you? Why are you so willing to lie down with these bad-faith actors? This dude is a blind Trump-supporting zealot, who couldn't care less about healthcare. He is only repeating what they tell him to repeat. Jumping in bed with people like this only helps legitimize their lies, not make it easier to fight for something better than the ACA. They would oppose a hypothetical replacement too. You need to start thinking these things through, man, because this "Dems bad" shyt is clouding your judgement.





I'm sick of this absolutist framing people constantly engage in. The ACA isn't "garbage," nor is it "perfect." This kind of binary thinking erases real, measurable improvements to our healthcare system that the ACA is responsible for. You can't ignore how millions gained coverage, Medicaid was expanded to give low-income adults access to preventive and comprehensive care in most states that adopted it, and how protections like guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions became law. It's imperfect, because deductibles and cost issues still remain, but a huge part of those struggles come from sabotage, not just design.

Thanks to the SCOTUS, the Medicaid expansion was made optional. Thanks to Trump, the mandate was gutted, outreach funding was slashed, and junk plans were promoted -- all of this helped destabilize the market. If your problem is affordability, why cheer on the very sabotage that made it worse? And if you think the ACA isn't universal enough, that's fine -- then argue for building on it (like Medicare for All). But if you want it gone with no replacement, you're arguing to strip coverage and protections from millions.

Like, what makes you think something better could survive when this system is constantly being attacked, sabotaged, and threatened with repeal?


Good argument. It’s great for poor people it sucks for working people. Who should have priority?
 

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I'll only respond to parts that are relevant to me
It's not irrelevant. Bro, what's wrong with you? Why are you so willing to lie down with these bad-faith actors? This dude is a blind Trump-supporting zealot
It is irrelevant, because my fight isn't his fight, we can have two different opinions on how something should go and come to the same conclusion in it needing to be fixed.

who couldn't care less about healthcare. He is only repeating what they tell him to repeat. Jumping in bed with people

Good thing I'm not in bed with him, we only agreed on that the aca isn't affordable . Where he goes from there is his own take.

like this only helps legitimize their lies, not make it easier to fight for something better than the ACA. They would oppose a hypothetical replacement too. You need to start thinking these things through, man, because this "Dems bad" shyt is clouding your judgement.

We had actual replacement when we had 60 voted in the senate , instead we settled for half measures.
I'm sick of this absolutist framing people constantly engage in. The ACA isn't "garbage," nor is it "perfect."

it's absolutely garbage, but its better than nothing. We have some of the worst healthcare systems when it comes to first world countries. There's nothing to promote here in fact in the midterms and 2028 we should be pushing for full expansion

This kind of binary thinking erases real, measurable improvements to our healthcare system that the ACA is responsible for. You can't ignore how millions gained coverage, Medicaid was expanded to give low-income adults access to preventive and comprehensive care in most states that adopted it, and how protections like guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions became law. It's imperfect, because deductibles and cost issues still remain, but a huge part of those struggles come from sabotage, not just design.

That's cool and all big dog we past this point.
Thanks to the SCOTUS, the Medicaid expansion was made optional. Thanks to Trump, the mandate was gutted, outreach funding was slashed, and junk plans were promoted -- all of this helped destabilize the market. If your problem is affordability, why cheer on the very sabotage that made it worse? And if you think the ACA isn't universal enough, that's fine -- then argue for building on it (like Medicare for All). But if you want it gone with no replacement, you're arguing to strip coverage and protections from millions.

Good thing the parties establishment did not go on a campaign pushing against Medicare for All. Good thing we're not susceptible to healthcare companies wealth donors. Good thing the average american do like our healthcare system... oh wait


 

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Undocumented immigrants are barred by law from enrolling in Medicare, Medicaid, or CHIP, and they are not allowed to buy coverage through the ACA exchanges or receive any of the subsidies Democrats are trying to preserve. The only care they can access is emergency treatment under EMTALA or limited emergency Medicaid, which is not full healthcare coverage. Your claim that the shutdown is over "free healthcare for illegals" is a GOP invented political mischaracterization, NOT fact. But I am open to seeing you prove otherwise.





It's not irrelevant. Bro, what's wrong with you? Why are you so willing to lie down with these bad-faith actors? This dude is a blind Trump-supporting zealot, who couldn't care less about healthcare. He is only repeating what they tell him to repeat. Jumping in bed with people like this only helps legitimize their lies, not make it easier to fight for something better than the ACA. They would oppose a hypothetical replacement too. You need to start thinking these things through, man, because this "Dems bad" shyt is clouding your judgement.





I'm sick of this absolutist framing people constantly engage in. The ACA isn't "garbage," nor is it "perfect." This kind of binary thinking erases real, measurable improvements to our healthcare system that the ACA is responsible for. You can't ignore how millions gained coverage, Medicaid was expanded to give low-income adults access to preventive and comprehensive care in most states that adopted it, and how protections like guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions became law. It's imperfect, because deductibles and cost issues still remain, but a huge part of those struggles come from sabotage, not just design.

Thanks to the SCOTUS, the Medicaid expansion was made optional. Thanks to Trump, the mandate was gutted, outreach funding was slashed, and junk plans were promoted -- all of this helped destabilize the market. If your problem is affordability, why cheer on the very sabotage that made it worse? And if you think the ACA isn't universal enough, that's fine -- then argue for building on it (like Medicare for All). But if you want it gone with no replacement, you're arguing to strip coverage and protections from millions.

Like, what makes you think something better could survive when this system is constantly being attacked, sabotaged, and threatened with repeal?


:wow: @Loose take this whooping like a man
 

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Good argument. It’s great for poor people it sucks for working people. Who should have priority?

Healthcare should be centered around availability, not prioritization.

The current plans in place already suck for the poor, why would you want it to be worse? You're also incorrectly linking unemployed and poor, when you can absolutely be working and poor.
 

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Good argument. It’s great for poor people it sucks for working people. Who should have priority?
I'm not playing this false divide game. Most of the people who gained coverage were working people -- low-wage workers, gig workers, families, and so on. Protections for pre-existing conditions, young adults staying on their parents' plans, and subsidies help millions beyond the very poor.

Returning to a pre-ACA, no Medicaid expansion world would be worse for everyone, especially workers, because then hospitals would be back to shifting the costs onto workers' premiums. Looking at ACA/Medicaid expansion and saying the problem is that it helped the poor is asinine when the problem is that it didn't go far enough for *everyone*. That's why people who claim they care should be debating about expanding coverage, not scrapping it.


 

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:wow: @Loose take this whooping like a man
Nothing he posted is relevant to the conversation. He's posting in defense in keeping a broken healthcare system, I'm posting the opposite. He wants to keep status quo politics that allow healthcare companies to ravish the pockets of the poorest amongst us. When it comes to the then and now yes we should be pushing to keep these credits but these credits are a temporary bandaid to a broken problem. One that leadership in his party wants to keep as is
 

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No you’re all wrong. We boast about an outdated system, it’s a cumbersome bloated and expensive system. It needs to be simplified and streamlined. Biden could’ve started it but he wanted a BIG OL system to stay in place bc it was Obamas flagship.
It’s not like we’re cutting cutting edge treatment it all depends on the level of insurance u can AFFORD. Miss me with the “saving the poor” bs. They get Medicaid that’s awesome why are working folks on it as well?
 
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