Democratic Party Rebuild

[the cac mamba]

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

If yall can’t even beat liberals in the primary stage, what does that say about your ideology? Form like Voltron? That’s forming a coalition dumbass.

Kamala lost because of racism and misogyny.

Gavin Newsom who is less left leaning than Kamala by the way beats Trump if he was the replacement candidate instead

I don’t even know why you’re so mad. Focus on winning primaries and there won’t be anything to whine about.

It’s like you want to be handed victories instead of earning them.


Also if your ideology is so loved by the American people run candidates in red and purple districts so the party can actually gain power instead of cannibalizing deep blue seats we’d win anyway

Do you really believe the Democratic primary process is a fair one that encourages outside challenges?

 

[the cac mamba]

I said Kamala was SEEN as too far left by the median voter.

they can't admit that. trump ran effective attack ads painting kamala as a far left liberal, using her ridiculous lines from the 2020 primary, because that was detrimental to her. no one likes progressives outside of dark blue areas, they're too fukking weird

but a key part of being a progressive in 2025 is a total lack of self reflection. you don't have to admit that your positions are bad or unpopular, when you can just say that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a bad person

it's the reason these buffoons are telegraphing, 3 years in advance, that they're gonna try to make 2028 about Palestine. not because it will remotely be a relevant issue, but they've found the perfect excuse to be perpetually victimized by Centrist Voltron

 

[the cac mamba]

seems like a guy we should at least consider nominating

but "muh IDF, muh he covered up a murder"

 

[Outlaw]

Do you really believe the Democratic primary process is a fair one that encourages outside challenges?

Define fair?

I think it’s slanted towards the establishment and more corporate friendly candidate but I also think if America was as left as touted that hurdle could be overcome.

The Republican establishment was biased against MAGA until they took hold of the party

 

[wire28]

Despite thoughts from some, it appears there still are people out there energized and ready to engage politically

 

[wire28]

seems like a guy we should at least consider nominating

but "muh IDF, muh he covered up a murder"

You need to take off 6-8% after he gets dragged through the mud by our “allies” starting in summer 2028

 

[Left.A1]

Zohran winning in NYC is nice but how about you lefties win in purple or red areas like liberals have then we can talk.

Are you retarded?

I said Kamala was SEEN as too far left by the median voter.

If they were secretly craving a leftie then why didn’t she do better with independents?

I know she isn’t a leftie by your standards dumbfukk

All I’m ask for is for you fukkers to win primaries, why is that so difficult?

Enough of this brain dead babble that nobody is reading.…lets get to some content that's actually worthwhile

1. When will you loser liberals stop giving the country to 30x felons…..

2. When will you stop failing at achieving this singular goal?

3. When will you accept that America has rejected your ideology in favor of MAGA?

4. When will you cease continung the same brain dead losing strategies that has led the party to hopelessly being under the boot of facism?

When you are competent enough to actually produce results on these questions... then and only then will you have anything worth reading and engaging with.… however… until that time comes you're just another stereotypical losing ass loser like the rest of them

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Define fair?

I think it’s slanted towards the establishment and more corporate friendly candidate but I also think if America was as left as touted that hurdle could be overcome.

The Republican establishment was biased against MAGA until they took hold of the party

I don't think everyone should win or be handed anything. I just think everyone should have a *real* chance to compete. And right now, they don't, because access to debates, media coverage, and fundraising networks are heavily dependent on insider backing or big-money support. And that makes the outcome predictable before most voters even hear from all the candidates.

You said yourself the process is slanted toward establishment and corporate-friendly candidates. If we acknowledge this, then we have to admit that outside candidates are starting out chasing people who've been given a head start. And with the amount of money flowing into politics, even in primaries, that's an almost impossible advantage to overcome. So it makes no sense to shift the burden onto outside candidates or make inferences about their ideology.

The MAGA comparison doesn't really hold either. They didn't beat their establishment through fairness, they did it through billionaire backing, right-wing media infrastructure, and a massive propaganda machine. That's not something a grassroots candidate trying to challenge corporate influence inside the Democratic Party could replicate.

It's just becoming hard to take the party seriously when they talk about "Democracy," while they leverage every institutional advantage to stamp out outside challenges.

 

[Outlaw]

I don't think everyone should win or be handed anything. I just think everyone should have a *real* chance to compete. And right now, they don't, because access to debates, media coverage, and fundraising networks are heavily dependent on insider backing or big-money support. And that makes the outcome predictable before most voters even hear from all the candidates.

You said yourself the process is slanted toward establishment and corporate-friendly candidates. If we acknowledge this, then we have to admit that outside candidates are starting out chasing people who've been given a head start. And with the amount of money flowing into politics, even in primaries, that's an almost impossible advantage to overcome. So it makes no sense to shift the burden onto outside candidates or make inferences about their ideology.

The MAGA comparison doesn't really hold either. They didn't beat their establishment through fairness, they did it through billionaire backing, right-wing media infrastructure, and a massive propaganda machine. That's not something a grassroots candidate trying to challenge corporate influence inside the Democratic Party could replicate.

It's just becoming hard to take the party seriously when they talk about "Democracy," while they leverage every institutional advantage to stamp out outside challenges.

We’re in a capitalistic society, if socialist, populist progressives and any candidates left of pro capitalism liberals wants to take hold of the power then they need to generate a movement that can overcome capital. The capital class of the Democratic Party isn’t going to give up power to candidates running on diminishing their power so taking power through the support of the people is the only way.

I don’t know why those left of pro capitalist liberals would want the backing of the capitalist establishment anyway, doesn’t that run counter intuitive to their ethos?

IMO those left of the pro capitalist liberals should show worker solidarity proof of concept by going into areas of the country where the democratic establishment has left behind and win those races. If they can build a power base in areas where liberals can’t win then that’s the start of them being able to build a populist base through force and the liberal capital class would have to compromise.

Right now it seems like the left want to whine, shame and guilt trip liberals into power when simply put that’s not how the world works. Politics is a blood sport and maintaining power is the only thing that truly matters.

It’ll never be the lefts “turn” they have to find a way to take it by force

 

[wire28]

Do you really believe the Democratic primary process is a fair one that encourages outside challenges?

No but as I mentioned earlier the dem establishment has abandoned basically the entire south and Great Plains. Which apparently is ripe full of eager economically anxious individuals just thirsting for a class based message. If there is anywhere to start it should be there. There is no dem competition and the people there (apparently) want to buy what you’re (not you literally) selling. That would be an easy way to get positive press and actual power by making inroads in those areas.

 

[wire28]

It's just becoming hard to take the party seriously when they talk about "Democracy," while they leverage every institutional advantage to stamp out outside challenges.

Well then we are at the point where we will have to hope insert 80 year old establishment dem is going to have a change of heart or say fukk him and beat him despite the advantage he has.

 

[wire28]

Brehs how do we feel about this? Should the candidate be ready to punish Trump and his flunkies for their crimes? Or like the most progressive president of our lives, Joesph Robinette Biden, do we need to just move the country forward Jack!

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

We’re in a capitalistic society, if socialist, populist progressives and any candidates left of pro capitalism liberals wants to take hold of the power then they need to generate a movement that can overcome capital. The capital class of the Democratic Party isn’t going to give up power to candidates running on diminishing their power so taking power through the support of the people is the only way.

I don’t know why those left of pro capitalist liberals would want the backing of the capitalist establishment anyway, doesn’t that run counter intuitive to their ethos?

IMO those left of the pro capitalist liberals should show worker solidarity proof of concept by going into areas of the country where the democratic establishment has left behind and win those races. If they can build a power base in areas where liberals can’t win then that’s the start of them being able to build a populist base through force and the liberal capital class would have to compromise.

Right now it seems like the left want to whine, shame and guilt trip liberals into power when simply put that’s not how the world works. Politics is a blood sport and maintaining power is the only thing that truly matters.

It’ll never be the lefts “turn” they have to find a way to take it by force

Everything you're saying here rests on the playing field being neutral and that the only thing standing between a movement and power is will or grit. You're describing an abstract version of democracy that ignores how the system is structured to protect people already in power.

You said candidates "need to generate a movement that can overcome capital," but you're ignoring the point that capital doesn't just sit idly by. It actively shapes outcomes by deciding who gets media coverage, endorsements, institutional support, and visibility. This is all part of the mechanism the capital class has built to protect their power from challenges.

Left candidates are demanding a fair process. That's not the same as begging for approval or wanting establishment backing. This is about demanding that the process not be slanted towards the inside candidate. Do you believe simple things like equal access to debates, ballot placement, and exposure is ideological hypocrisy? I don't. I think it's basic fairness.

That's why your point about building from neglected areas, while good in theory, falls apart in practice, because the very unfairness I'm describing makes it almost impossible to do that at scale. Grassroots campaigns in working-class or rural districts require organizing infrastructure, funding, time and resources. You can't tell people to "prove" their movement works while simultaneously defending a structure that cuts them off from the resources needed to prove it.

We're never going to get anywhere as long as people are willing to justify entrenched power protecting itself through money and access. That is detrimental to all of us, not just "progressives."

Do you feel the rules of engagement should be fair enough that power can *actually* be contested?

And politics being a "blood sport" doesn't mean we should celebrate it being corrupt or exclusionary, especially in primary contests. That's where we should show our true values and beliefs in democracy are not just performative.

Again, I just think primaries should be fair. I want to see more working people being able to compete without being crushed by the weight of the system itself.

 

[Hood Critic]

I don't think everyone should win or be handed anything. I just think everyone should have a *real* chance to compete. And right now, they don't, because access to debates, media coverage, and fundraising networks are heavily dependent on insider backing or big-money support. And that makes the outcome predictable before most voters even hear from all the candidates.

You said yourself the process is slanted toward establishment and corporate-friendly candidates. If we acknowledge this, then we have to admit that outside candidates are starting out chasing people who've been given a head start. And with the amount of money flowing into politics, even in primaries, that's an almost impossible advantage to overcome. So it makes no sense to shift the burden onto outside candidates or make inferences about their ideology.

The MAGA comparison doesn't really hold either. They didn't beat their establishment through fairness, they did it through billionaire backing, right-wing media infrastructure, and a massive propaganda machine. That's not something a grassroots candidate trying to challenge corporate influence inside the Democratic Party could replicate.

It's just becoming hard to take the party seriously when they talk about "Democracy," while they leverage every institutional advantage to stamp out outside challenges.

If a candidate hasn't built a coalition within the party, they don't have a chance to compete. No amount of fundraising, media coverage and debates can get a candidate over the finish line if there doesn't exist a support coalition within the party. We've seen this first hand with Sanders.

The party requires radical change and that's going to require an internal takeover. That takeover/coupe doesn't happen if there isn't a coalition of like-minded members who are willing to stand with the new leader.