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You win in those states by actually offering something, but hey let's do the same nep liberalism game over and over
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Ehh. My views generally lean progressive but I don't think anything Dems could offer is going to trump the racial resentment that the GOP thrives on. People vote against their self-interest all the time just so the people they don't like get hurt and I just don't think offering economic benefits sways them. Bernie tried it and the "economic anxiety" arguments are debunked by now.

Personally I think it would be more productive for Democrats to focus on social media (which IMO is the real reason they lost...that and 'cism/'xism) than indulging in another lame progressive vs. centrist civil war.
 
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acri1 said:
Ehh. My views generally lean progressive but I don't think anything Dems could offer is going to trump the racial resentment that the GOP thrives on. People vote against their self-interest all the time just so the people they don't like get hurt and I just don't think offering economic benefits sways them. Bernie tried it and the "economic anxiety" arguments are debunked by now.

Personally I think it would be more productive for Democrats to focus on social media (which IMO is the real reason they lost...that and 'cism/'xism) than indulging in another lame progressive vs. centrist civil war.
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Nah I’d rather focus on why the people I have most in common with are the real problem while ignoring/minimizing the daily damage the people I (allegedly) have the least in common with are inflicting generations worth of harm upon the populations I say I care about :mjgrin:
 
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John Reena said:
According to progressives, if we “offer” red state voters something they’ll magically throw away their white privilege/white nationalist beliefs and be in favor gay marriage and socialism!
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Here we can see that it’s easier for some people to believe that all red-state voters are just irredeemably racist or ignorant than to grapple with the structural failures of the Democratic Party and the broader political system. The reality is, many working-class voters in red states already support progressive policies when framed outside of partisan identity. Things like higher minimum wages, Medicare for All, legal weed, and strong labor protections often pass via ballot initiatives even in deep red states. The issue isn’t that these voters are ideologically opposed to progressive policies—it’s that the Democratic Party, for decades, has failed to counter right-wing propaganda effectively, or offer a real populist alternative. They've completely eroded the trust that voters gave them in previous generations.

Another lazy narrative that absolves the Democratic establishment of responsibility while making no attempt to win over people who could be reached with real, material policies. This argument also showcases a deep misunderstanding of how politics actually works. People don’t vote based on policy they vote based on identity, trust, culture, and who they feel speaks for them. The right has spent decades perfecting a strategy of culture war, while the Democrats have failed to counter it in any way that would resonate with working-class voters. The Democratic party has no identity
 
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