Democratic Party Rebuild

[Outlaw]

Sure, I'm not the one complaining here, and I haven't seen any leftists upset that they're not getting dark money funding from Democratic-aligned groups. I'm just saying that this group funding these creators is a hilarious dead-end waste of time and money because the product sucks. They have no juice because they're pushing a dead pro-establishment ideology.


Liberals are not better equipped to fight the fascist MAGA because they have no ideological ammunition. The money only works if you have shooters. This isn't about morality, it's about winners and losers. If the left of center needs to recapture power and the youth by any means necessary, then they need to ditch these programs and their ban on critiquing establishment.


PUT THE SHOOTERS IN, COACH

The liberals needs a recalibration, as cac mamba says they can’t be viewed as the HR department party. Once they find their edge I think they’ll be able to recapture some of what they’ve lost. I think a middle way of adopting economic populism while still fighting for social justice is the best way forward but the purity politics needs to go completely.

If you disagree with someone on one issue that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be completely banished.

The leftists need to prove it. I don’t understand this mindset that the leftists are owed anything without proving they can win.

Show us you have the superior ideology by winning elections and then the liberals will capitulate to your worldview

 

[wire28]

Why doesn't the Dem establishment boot the left wing of the party out like @the cac mamba wants and go all in on the idea of peeling away the imaginary republicans that want to vote democrat but accidentally voted for Trump twice.

It’s strange because the left wing of the party seems to be hell bent on being accepted by the dem establishment. One would think they would just give up and do their own thing but no one appears serious in doing so. Quite the merry go round.

 

[Loose]

He doesn’t shyt on Dems enough for your liking.

People like him is why we had Joe biden running for re-election, damn right i have a problem with him holding water

That’s part of the bit that streamers do for content. It’s not real animosity

Stop it, tons of streamers/podcasters do not go against the grain of their audience. Meanwhile people like parnas talks about everything democrat politics bur Israel

His special interests are the people who donate to his stream. If he starts to say things that they don’t like then they stop donating. It’s that simple. The mob which is his viewer base controls what he says implicitly

Yea this is a reach lol. Calling donations special interests is some take. Hasan is the exact opposite of audience capture.

 

[Loose]

Sure, I'm not the one complaining here, and I haven't seen any leftists upset that they're not getting dark money funding from Democratic-aligned groups. I'm just saying that this group funding these creators is a hilarious dead-end waste of time and money because the product sucks. They have no juice because they're pushing a dead pro-establishment ideology.


Liberals are not better equipped to fight the fascist MAGA because they have no ideological ammunition. The money only works if you have shooters. This isn't about morality, it's about winners and losers. If the left of center needs to recapture power and the youth by any means necessary, then they need to ditch these programs and their ban on critiquing establishment.


PUT THE SHOOTERS IN, COACH

Harris and down ballot dems spent like 4-5 billion dollars last election and this dude still talking about liberals are better equipped for fascists

 

[Outlaw]

People like him is why we had Joe biden running for re-election, damn right i have a problem with him holding water




Stop it, tons of streamers/podcasters do not go against the grain of their audience. Meanwhile people like parnas talks about everything democrat politics bur Israel


Yea this is a reach lol. Calling donations special interests is some take. Hasan is the exact opposite of audience capture.

You don’t watch enough streamers to know what you’re talking about. Streamers going at their chat is streaming 101.

Hassan is the definition of audience capture - if a commentators only revenue stream is making content then they’re going to only say things that will not piss off their cash cow.

It doesn’t take that much second level thinking to understand how they’re just as inauthentic as someone getting paid by the DNC.

Instead of the DNC they’re getting paid by people who align 95% with the DSA , it’s just crowd sourced but still the same level of inauthenticity by your puritan standards

 

[Loose]

Instead of the DNC they’re getting paid by people who align 95% with the DSA , it’s just crowd sourced but still the same level of inauthenticity by your puritan standards

The only part worth responding to. If you don’t see the difference between being paid by the DNC and being supported by actual voters and activists, then I’m not sure we have anything to discuss. There’s nothing inauthentic about refusing money from special interest groups, super PACs, or the DNC itself. This is just a weak attempt to invent some puritanical standard that doesn’t exist, all to excuse bought-and-paid-for politicians and influencers

 

[Outlaw]

Only part worth responding too. If you dont see the difference in being paid by the DNC instead of actual voters/activists im not sure we have anything to discuss. Nothing inauthentic about not taking money from special interests group's, superpacs and the likes of the DNC. This just a lame attempt of you to make up some puritan standards that dont exist to excuse bought and paid for politicans/influencers

They’re both special interests groups but you don’t think it applies because you agree with their ideology. If you’re not willing to apply your puritan standards on your own then don’t apply it to the liberals.

No one should be able to make money doing commentary by your lofty standards, and if you say that’s not the case then don’t complain when the liberals get their bread buttered

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Pakman and Brian Tyler Cohen being literal paid DNC shills

Meanwhile our Higher Liberals twerking for Democrats for free

 

[Loose]

They’re both special interests groups but you don’t think it applies because you agree with their ideology. If you’re not willing to apply your puritan standards on your own then don’t apply it to the liberals.

Literally not—which is why you keep trying to blur the lines to justify corrupt politicians and influencers taking money from super PACs. That’s how down bad BlueMAGA is: they’ve resorted to calling small-dollar donations ‘special interest groups.’

No one should be able to make money doing commentary by your lofty standards, and if you say that’s not the case then don’t complain when the liberals get their bread buttered

Yea this is just deflection technique babble.
" if you so pure you shouldn't make money" strawman 101

 

[KFBF]

I think a middle way of adopting economic populism while still fighting for social justice is the best way forward but the purity politics needs to go completely.

I don't believe the Dem establishment is interested in adopting a policy of economic populism and social justice. You can't be the party of social justice but also unwilling to tell Israel about themselves.

If they did adopt what you're proposing in an honest way I think the purity test shyt (not understanding how leftists simultaneously don't matter but also are incredibly harmful to the party but whatever) would matter less.

I will never vote for that phony Dwayne though.

 

[Outlaw]

Pakman and Brian Tyler Cohen being literal paid DNC shills

Meanwhile our Higher Liberals twerking for Democrats for free

Yes let’s destroy their channels so the right can get even more market share of the online political discourse.

The commies you watch will always be niche

 

[Outlaw]

I don't believe the Dem establishment is interested in adopting a policy of economic populism and social justice. You can't be the party of social justice but also unwilling to tell Israel about themselves.

If they did adopt what you're proposing in an honest way I think the purity test shyt (not understanding how leftists simultaneously don't matter but also are incredibly harmful to the party but whatever) would matter less.

I will never vote for that phony Dwayne though.

For every soy leftist turned off by the Rock’s nomination 5 median voters will replace you. He wouldn’t need your vote

 

[Outlaw]

Literally not—which is why you keep trying to blur the lines to justify corrupt politicians and influencers taking money from super PACs. That’s how down bad BlueMAGA is: they’ve resorted to calling small-dollar donations ‘special interest groups.’

Look up what the definition of a special interest group is and think about how it could apply to small dollar donations unified in ideology

Yea this is just deflection technique babble.
" if you so pure you shouldn't make money" strawman 101

That’s essentially what you’re saying if you applied a fair standard. You however are biased and think that commentators should only make money if it comes from sources you agree with which is hypocritical.

 

[King Kreole]

The liberals needs a recalibration, as cac mamba says they can’t be viewed as the HR department party. Once they find their edge I think they’ll be able to recapture some of what they’ve lost. I think a middle way of adopting economic populism while still fighting for social justice is the best way forward

I completely agree with all of this. I would like to see AIPAC Shakur and Chuck Schumer's response to you saying they need to adopt economic populism (which is an existential threat to their donor base and lobbying network) and social justice as the best way forward.

but the purity politics needs to go completely.

If you disagree with someone on one issue that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be completely banished.

This depends on the issue. For example, I think there should be purity politics in the issue of whether black people should have equal rights. Do you? I also think there should be purity politics on the issue of whether genocide is good or not. Do you? I think white supremacists and genocide supporters should be banished. I think leaving them in the coalition is driving away more people than its bringing in.

The leftists need to prove it. I don’t understand this mindset that the leftists are owed anything without proving they can win.

Show us you have the superior ideology by winning elections and then the liberals will capitulate to your worldview

I don't think leftists are owed anything. We're in the Democratic Party rebuild thread, and my opinion is that the Democratic Party should adopt a more genuinely leftist platform and agenda for both moral and practical reasons. I don't think The Democratic Party should wait for leftists to win third party elections in this highly, systemically entrenched political duopoly to begin adopting and supporting that agenda. The Democratic Party under (neo)Liberal stewardship has run aground. We all deserve better.

 

[Outlaw]

I completely agree with all of this. I would like to see AIPAC Shakur and Chuck Schumer's response to you saying they need to adopt economic populism (which is an existential threat to their donor base and lobbying network) and social justice as the best way forward.

I think Schumer and Jefferies should be primaried if they don’t agree with economic populism.

Free regulated markets and a redefinition of what public private partnerships should mean. Making sure everyone can live a respectable life with the government providing education, affordable housing, universal health care, regulated capitalism, stomping out exploitation and corruption should be the bare minimum.

This depends on the issue. For example, I think there should be purity politics in the issue of whether black people should have equal rights. Do you? I also think there should be purity politics on the issue of whether genocide is good or not. Do you? I think white supremacists and genocide supporters should be banished. I think leaving them in the coalition is driving away more people than it’s bringing in.

Liberalism is against all of those things. So yes anything that goes against the tenants of liberalism should be the puritan standard.

Foreign conflicts are more nuanced though I’d argue.

I don't think leftists are owed anything. We're in the Democratic Party rebuild thread, and my opinion is that the Democratic Party should adopt a more genuinely leftist platform and agenda for both moral and practical reasons. I don't think The Democratic Party should wait for leftists to win third party elections in this highly, systemically entrenched political duopoly to begin adopting and supporting that agenda. The Democratic Party under (neo)Liberal stewardship has run aground. We all deserve better.

I don’t think leftists should run third party, I think they should win primaries within the Democratic Party. I don’t think they should be handed power without showing they can win