Democratic Party Rebuild

[the cac mamba]

i just found this account on twitter. which HL poster is this

 

[Hood Critic]

is anyone in here gonna vote for Kamala in the '28 primary? we all know goddamn well that none of us are. might be the ONE thing we all agree on

seeing how the election turned out, this is a total nonstory. i don't wanna hear from Kamala or Tampon Tim ever again and anyone who does is a fukkin fool

I know you're the president of the Shapiro fan club but the conversation was about him saying she was lying on him not any of this other weirdness you're posting about. So even you are in agreement that what she said is probably true.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

I know you're the president of the Shapiro fan club but the conversation was about him saying she was lying on him not any of this other weirdness you're posting about. So even you are in agreement that what she said is probably true.

Yeah, obviously we don't know either way, but I can't see what her motivation would have been to lie about that. No one can make the argument that she lost the election because she didn't pick him because she lost every single swing state, not just Pennsylvania.

I voted for Kamala, but I've never really been a big fan of hers. That being said, she operates very logically and cautiously (too cautiously). So what would have been her motivation to lie about this? What exactly would she have to gain?

 

[King Kreole]

I default to the ACA because Obamacare is the boogeyman of Dem policies. That all of these voters know for sure they hate until they find out it's what they actually are on and actually known as the ACA.

My point is I don't really think there is any way the Dems can "dumb down" or "mass slogan" that will break through with the people who always say they care about the policies. If the Dems pivoted to dumb down slogans then the media would pivot to Dems are trying to belittle the voters by speaking to them with paint by number messaging.

Not to mention as others will point out nothing the Dems can message hits better in the rust belt than that good ol cism

The point isn't to win every racist idiot in America, it's to win enough people to win the election and actually deliver on substantial, material change in everyone's lives. The idiots will be dragged along to a better world kicking and screaming. You can say there isn't any way the Dems can "dumb down" or "mass slogan" that will break through with the people, but the point is that they're not even trying. They purposefully avoid the simple, powerful narratives and policies that create mass change because they're a status quo party whose goal is to obfuscate the political landscape so people feel powerless to demand real change because it would come at the expense of the Democratic Party's oligarchic donor paymasters.

The Democratic Party doesn't work for your aunt with breast cancer, it works for the health insurance company trying to deny her coverage. So of course Kamala Harris isn't going to simply, powerfully say healthcare should be a free right granted to every person in the richest nation in history, she's going to say people should have the right to access affordable healthcare if they make x% of the poverty rate in a dual income household.

The Democratic Party doesn't work for your sister struggling with childcare, it works for the corporations that benefit from forcing her to work for them so she can afford childcare. So of course she's not going to simply, powerfully say every parent in the richest nation in history should have free childcare or a national paid family leave, she's going to say there should be a modest increase to the maximum amount of Child Tax Credit, provided your child meets all the eligibility requirements and your annual income does not exceed x amount when you file your taxes correctly.

Many such cases.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

The point isn't to win every racist idiot in America, it's to win enough people to win the election and actually deliver on substantial, material change in everyone's lives. The idiots will be dragged along to a better world kicking and screaming. You can say there isn't any way the Dems can "dumb down" or "mass slogan" that will break through with the people, but the point is that they're not even trying. They purposefully avoid the simple, powerful narratives and policies that create mass change because they're a status quo party whose goal is to obfuscate the political landscape so people feel powerless to demand real change because it would come at the expense of the Democratic Party's oligarchic donor paymasters.

The Democratic Party doesn't work for your aunt with breast cancer, it works for the health insurance company trying to deny her coverage. So of course Kamala Harris isn't going to simply, powerfully say healthcare should be a free right granted to every person in the richest nation in history, she's going to say people should have the right to access affordable healthcare if they make x% of the poverty rate in a dual income household.

The Democratic Party doesn't work for your sister struggling with childcare, it works for the corporations that benefit from forcing her to work for them so she can afford childcare. So of course she's not going to simply, powerfully say every parent in the richest nation in history should have free childcare or a national paid family leave, she's going to say there should be a modest increase to the maximum amount of Child Tax Credit, provided your child meets all the eligibility requirements and your annual income does not exceed x amount when you file your taxes correctly.

Many such cases.

I agree with your policy prescriptions overall. However, I’m somewhat skeptical that this policy agenda will be persuasive to the electorate. The primary disagreement voters have with the Democratic Party (and the left more broadly) isn’t economic — it’s cultural. For the most part, the public already seems aligned with your economic proposals.

My question is this: why are we seeing right-wing shifts even in countries with extensive social safety nets, such as France? And why have parties like the Sweden Democrats gained so much ground in recent years despite Sweden having universal healthcare and other strong welfare programs? Obviously it's not an apples to apples comparison, each locality (let alone) each country has it's own different context/dynamics.

 

[mastermind]

The point isn't to win every racist idiot in America, it's to win enough people to win the election and actually deliver on substantial, material change in everyone's lives. The idiots will be dragged along to a better world kicking and screaming. You can say there isn't any way the Dems can "dumb down" or "mass slogan" that will break through with the people, but the point is that they're not even trying. They purposefully avoid the simple, powerful narratives and policies that create mass change because they're a status quo party whose goal is to obfuscate the political landscape so people feel powerless to demand real change because it would come at the expense of the Democratic Party's oligarchic donor paymasters.

The Democratic Party doesn't work for your aunt with breast cancer, it works for the health insurance company trying to deny her coverage. So of course Kamala Harris isn't going to simply, powerfully say healthcare should be a free right granted to every person in the richest nation in history, she's going to say people should have the right to access affordable healthcare if they make x% of the poverty rate in a dual income household.

The Democratic Party doesn't work for your sister struggling with childcare, it works for the corporations that benefit from forcing her to work for them so she can afford childcare. So of course she's not going to simply, powerfully say every parent in the richest nation in history should have free childcare or a national paid family leave, she's going to say there should be a modest increase to the maximum amount of Child Tax Credit, provided your child meets all the eligibility requirements and your annual income does not exceed x amount when you file your taxes correctly.

Many such cases.

We know Americans aren't that aware, but they're not as stupid as a lot of people think. They know when something sounds like BS. Saying vague shyt like "affordability" or the means testing nonsense smells like BS and doesn't work.

 

[Loose]

We know Americans aren't that aware, but they're not as stupid as a lot of people think. They know when something sounds like BS. Saying vague shyt like "affordability" or the means testing nonsense smells like BS and doesn't work.

Comes off as elitist wealthy Harvard/yale tested bs, which is what most American voters see democrats as.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

We know Americans aren't that aware, but they're not as stupid as a lot of people think. They know when something sounds like BS. Saying vague shyt like "affordability" or the means testing nonsense smells like BS and doesn't work.

I mean, in the 2024 election, voters said their biggest concern was rising prices, yet they supported a candidate who had imposed tariffs in his first term and openly promised even more expansive tariffs in his second. They also chose a candidate who campaigned on prosecuting his political enemies—and now seem surprised that he’s spending so much time doing exactly that. And they’re shocked that a politician who promised mass deportations is, somehow, creating a system where even citizens are getting caught up in the dragnet.

There appears to be a fundamental misunderstanding of basic cause and effect. People who argue that voters are politically unsophisticated have, unfortunately, quite a bit of evidence to point to.

 

[mastermind]

My question is this: why are we seeing right-wing shifts even in countries with extensive social safety nets, such as France? And why have parties like the Sweden Democrats gained so much ground in recent years despite Sweden having universal healthcare and other strong welfare programs? Obviously it's not an apples to apples comparison, each locality (let alone) each country has it's own different context/dynamics.

Good question.

They all latched on to immigration, like in the US.

I think our challenges are different than Sweden in that they are way more homogenous.

I think a lot of the west is moving right due to the failure of liberalism.

 

[mastermind]

I mean, in the 2024 election, voters said their biggest concern was rising prices, yet they supported a candidate who had imposed tariffs in his first term and openly promised even more expansive tariffs in his second. They also chose a candidate who campaigned on prosecuting his political enemies—and now seem surprised that he’s spending so much time doing exactly that. And they’re shocked that a politician who promised mass deportations is, somehow, creating a system where even citizens are getting caught up in the dragnet.

There appears to be a fundamental misunderstanding of basic cause and effect. People who argue that voters are politically unsophisticated have, unfortunately, quite a bit of evidence to point to.

For sure

But what did Harris and the Democrats propose as a counter to rising prices?