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I doubt it, Dems are a little too scared of AIPAC and being labeled antisemitic to be saying that type of stuff.

They'll just try to be on the fence about it as usual.
Crazy how small hat Randy Fine can say the country doesn’t have enough Islamophobia but criticizing the Zionist state which is filled with non semites in government makes you an antisemite
 

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I doubt it, Dems are a little too scared of AIPAC and being labeled antisemitic to be saying that type of stuff.

They'll just try to be on the fence about it as usual.
Must be where yall live because we just HD primaries in NC and cost of goods, cost of living, ICE going crazy and corruption were all discussed more than Israel Gaza Iran.

I think it's fairly easy to be against the war or blowing money in the middle east when people,have issues at home that this current war makes worse...

Cue @the cac mamba it's about gas prices.
 

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Now do Trump? Are you suggesting he's not an ardent zionists?
He’s not. Trump doesn’t have an ideology, hence why he has a million conflicting views. he only cares about money and donors, that's only thing hes loyal too. Miriam Adelson, AIPAC, and other pro‑Israel donors funded both his campaign with billions, and he does their bidding. If they hadn’t ensured he would be re‑elected, he wouldn’t care at all about Israel.
 

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Yeah. Biden is a Zionist that'll put Israel above morality, his own self-interest or America's interests. It's ideological for him.

Trump is a psychopath that only cares about his own self-interest and ego. He'll help Israel or anyone else commit war crimes if he thinks it's good for him.
 

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Must be where yall live because we just HD primaries in NC and cost of goods, cost of living, ICE going crazy and corruption were all discussed more than Israel Gaza Iran.

I think it's fairly easy to be against the war or blowing money in the middle east when people,have issues at home that this current war makes worse...

Cue @the cac mamba it's about gas prices.

I think most Dems will be against the war generally, I just can't see many being willing to directly criticize Israel (which might lose them donors).

Expect a lot of "I support Israel but I have some concerns" type of talk.
 

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Biden has personal beliefs that are pro-Israel. He might even self-identity as a Zionist. Trump doesn't believe in anything. Seems a pretty straightforward distinction.
Tbf to him hes a stupid poster, biden has openly admitted to being a zionist







Biden’s defense of israel was ideological, views he's held since the 50s
 

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Biden’s defense of israel was ideological, views he's held since the 50s
Sure. Someone could make the argument that whether someone is a lifelong Zionist or is supporting Zionist policies for personal and political gain is probably a distinction without a difference in the grand scheme of things.

But it's not confusing why one gets called a Zionist and the other doesn't.
 

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Sure. Someone could make the argument that whether someone is a lifelong Zionist or is supporting Zionist policies for personal and political gain is probably a distinction without a difference in the grand scheme of things.

But it's not confusing why one gets called a Zionist and the other doesn't.
The one thing that shouldn’t be missed here is that even though Biden is a Zionist, the Zionist state has more leverage on Trump than it did Biden.

Proof is in the pudding, even though Trump ideologically doesn’t believe in Israel, he allowed them to pull him into war with Iran when they couldn’t convince Biden to do that.

Why is that?
 

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The one thing that shouldn’t be missed here is that even though Biden is a Zionist, the Zionist state has more leverage on Trump than it did Biden.

Proof is in the pudding, even though Trump ideologically doesn’t believe in Israel, he allowed them to pull him into war with Iran when they couldn’t convince Biden to do that.

Why is that?
Yeah, I would not be surprised if they had more leverage on trump. They don't need leverage with Biden he beleives with all his heart.

I'm not convinced they couldn't have pulled Biden into a war with Iran. But I acknowledge that they didn't.
 

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Yeah, I would not be surprised if they had more leverage on trump. They don't need leverage with Biden he beleives with all his heart.

I'm not convinced they couldn't have pulled Biden into a war with Iran. But I acknowledge that they didn't.
Didn’t Blinken say Bibi tried the same chicken tactic he employed on Trump where he was going to attack Iran regardless and Biden called his bluff?
 
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