Democratic Party Rebuild

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america spent 5.6 trillion on healthcare in 2025, bozos

you really need to drop these stupid, fake talking points about "muh we have money for war but not healthcare", when we spend an obscene amount on healthcare

You just throwing numbers with zero clue or context on what you're arguing, so do you think that number turns to zero if we went full fascist like you want . What a dumb ass

 

[acri1]

america spent 5.6 trillion on healthcare in 2025, bozos

you really need to drop these stupid, fake talking points about "muh we have money for war but not healthcare", when we spend an obscene amount on healthcare

The reason we spend so much on healthcare isn't because of illegal immigrants. It's because our healthcare system is inefficient and too many people end up in the ER with preventable issues or because they don't have insurance and the ER (the most expensive form of healthcare) is their only option. Not to mention insurance companies eat up a lot of money. Having universal healthcare would save the country WAY more money than trying to round up immigrants (which actually costs money) and there are plenty of studies.

So lets not pretend the costs are your real issue here that said I know the idea that not every problem in the world is because of immigrants or some other minority group is probably too nuanced for you, so feel free to ramble about the "far left" if you want

 

[Pressure]

Because

Not only is it the moral thing to do, it's also significantly cheaper than the tax payers covering the cost of their emergency bill which we already do.

Now that i answered yours, answer my question. do you think someone should die because they visited a country and don't have Healthcare?

because no country in the world provided free healthcare to anyone who just happens to be in the country.

1. Universal healthcare isn’t actually free.
—it is instead paid for through the tax payers.

2. Prevents medical tourism
—so let’s go ahead and counter the idea that everyone there is paying sufficiently into the system to receive exposure healthcare
— for example, if you go to the Canadian side of Niagara and you need a kidney Transplant you aren't going to be fully covered because you purchased a replica barrel and a beer
-- at some point your expenditures outweigh your resources

3. Capacity constraints :
-- there's a finite number of doctors, medical beds, medicine, and specialists
-- as such you have to address these issues when making a system
-- increased wait times and the inability to treat those paying for the system raises a different MORAL and ETHICAL counter argument.

4. You continue to provide the same life threatening and emergency care you still do
--that directly addresses the moral argument you introduced

TLDR;

THE PEOPLE WHO PAY I TO THE SYSTEM RECEIVE EVERYTHING AND THOSE WHO DO NOT ONLY RECEIVE EMERGENCY CARE

 

[the cac mamba]

our entire policy proposal strategy relies on taxing the rich it's funny when they leave the state

 

[the cac mamba]

The reason we spend so much on healthcare isn't because of illegal immigrants. It's because our healthcare system is inefficient

yes, our system is trash. and illegals are clogging up ER's, tangibly increasing wait times on americans, for free healthcare that gets written off, i.e. added to the costs of all of our bills

you clowns can't reconcile the fact that not ONE "free" healthcare country (paid for by the government taxing the middle class) has the open border immigration policy that you turn around and pine for. you're simply not serious people

 

[Hood Critic]

our entire policy proposal strategy relies on taxing the rich it's funny when they leave the state

The ones who actually leave, return in 2-3 years. It's mostly an empty threat. Make more money, pay more taxes.

 

[Hood Critic]

yes, our system is trash. and illegals are clogging up ER's, tangibly increasing wait times on americans, for free healthcare that gets written off, i.e. added to the costs of all of our bills

you clowns can't reconcile the fact that not ONE "free" healthcare country (paid for by the government taxing the middle class) has the open border immigration policy that you turn around and pine for. you're simply not serious people

No they're not, stop the wild lying.

American's who can't afford healthcare are clogging the ERs because they too benefit from the fact ER's can't refuse care.

 

[acri1]

yes, our system is trash. and illegals are clogging up ER's, tangibly increasing wait times on americans, for free healthcare that gets written off, i.e. added to the costs of all of our bills

you clowns can't reconcile the fact that not ONE "free" healthcare country (paid for by the government taxing the middle class) has the open border immigration policy that you turn around and pine for. you're simply not serious people

Who said something about an "open border"? That's a random FOX News talking point from 2016 get new material

No they're not, stop the wild lying.

American's who can't afford healthcare are clogging the ERs because they too benefit from the fact ER's can't refuse care.

Dude literally just can't comprehend the idea that not every problem is because of immigrants or trans people I don't even know if he can help it

 

[the cac mamba]

Who said something about an "open border"? That's a random FOX News talking point from 2016 get new material

Katie Porter, on national television

No they're not, stop the wild lying.

American's who can't afford healthcare are clogging the ERs because they too benefit from the fact ER's can't refuse care.

so you don't find it embarrassing that your electoral strategy is actually to demand that we let in tons of broke, homeless people, who you don't actually want in your communities because it was an "unfair problem" that Greg Abbott sent them there in buses?

the shamelessness on the far left is appalling. illegal immigrants cannot vote; why are you pandering to them?

 

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Katie Porter, on national television





so you don't find it embarrassing that your electoral strategy is actually to demand that we let in tons of broke, homeless people, who you don't actually want in your communities because it was an "unfair problem" that Greg Abbott sent them there in buses?

the shamelessness on the far left is appalling. illegal immigrants cannot vote; why are you pandering to them?

Outside of you being a racist bigot where did she lie?

Us population is deteriorating due to people not having kids
Migration is the only way we can afford our current govenment and resources.

Are you mad the people southern border not white enough ?

 

[the cac mamba]

Outside of you being a racist bigot where did she lie?

Us population is deteriorating due to people not having kids
Migration is the only way we can afford our current govenment and resources.

Are you mad the people southern border not white enough ?

i know that you guys think i'm a piece of shyt, but why do you think this slop works on voters in 2026?

"if you don't support letting millions of broke homeless people in, despite zero progressives being able to explain where they should go/being outraged when Greg Abbott sent them to blue cities, you're a bigot"?

Americans are broke as fukk after our awful covid policy, and you're trying to shame people over letting in more illegals?

i'll ask again; why are you pandering to people who come here illegally, and are not eligible to vote? help me understand the calculation

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

how about we crack down on the border, and don't let them in at all, so they don't massively burden the system, and clog up our emergency rooms?

i'm tired of watching you progressive bozos who represent the most expensive, over-taxed parts of the country, overpromise "free" shyt to people who come here illegally this is not appealing to most voters

if Californians want to keep voting to get their culos blasted by these pandering morons' insane taxes, that's fine by me. as long as we don't nominate Newsom or Kamala, i don't give a fukk

They don't burden the system. They're not clogging up emergency rooms, either. These Fox News talking points don't hold up in 2026.

They pay billions in taxes and are excluded from accessing safety net programs compared to citizens. If states want to make special healthcare programs for immigrants, they should. THEY PAY TAXES.

https://www.cato.org/blog/cato-study-immigrants-reduced-deficits-145-trillion-1994

Immigrants Pay More Taxes, Receive Fewer Benefits:​

Immigrants pay more in taxes than the average person. This is counterintuitive because they have lower hourly wages, but because they work at much higher rates (the blue line), they end up with higher per capita incomes (the gray line) and pay more in taxes than their share of the population predicts (the dotted line). Thus, immigrants have been better at generating revenue for the government than the average person.

Are their tax revenues overwhelmed by the costs they impose? Here’s everything the federal, state, and local governments spent money on over the last 30 years in per capita dollar amounts. Immigrants did not create significantly higher costs for any items and saved the government enormously in two areas: old-age benefits and education costs.

Exploring differences in the utilization of the emergency department between migrant and non-migrant populations: a systematic review - BMC Public Health

Background Migrants face several barriers when accessing care and tend to rely on emergency services to a greater extent than primary care. Comparing emergency department (ED) utilization by migrants and non-migrants can unveil inequalities affecting the migrant population and pave the way for...

link.springer.com

Exploring differences in the utilization of the emergency department between migrant and non-migrant populations: a systematic review:​

Results​

After full-text review, 23 articles met the inclusion criteria. All but one adopted a quantitative methodology. Some studies reported a higher frequency of ED visits among migrants, while others a higher frequency among non-migrants. Migrants tend to leave the hospital against medical advice more frequently than the native population and present at the ED without consulting a general practitioner (GP). They are also less likely to access the ED via ambulance. Admissions for ambulatory care-sensitive conditions, namely health conditions for which adequate, timely, and effective outpatient care can prevent hospitalization, were higher for migrants, while still being significant for the non-migrant population.

Conclusions​

The comparison between migrants’ and non-migrants’ utilization of the ED did not suggest a clear pattern. There is no consensus on whether migrants access EDs more or less than non-migrants and on whether migrants are hospitalized at a higher or lower extent. However, migrants tend to access EDs for less urgent conditions, lack a referral from a GP and access the ED as walk-ins more frequently. Migrants are also discharged against medical advice more often compared to non-migrants. Findings of this systematic review suggest that migrants’ access to care is hindered by language barriers, poor insurance coverage, lack of entitlement to a GP, and lack of knowledge of the local healthcare system.

The evidence does not show a consistent pattern that migrants or undocumented immigrants use the emergency room more overall than non-migrants.

Some of the studies they analyzed did find different patterns of use, especially more walk-ins and more non-urgent visits, but researchers largely attribute this to barriers in accessing primary and preventive care, not to migrants uniquely overwhelming the healthcare system.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

america spent 5.6 trillion on healthcare in 2025, bozos

you really need to drop these stupid, fake talking points about "muh we have money for war but not healthcare", when we spend an obscene amount on healthcare

That number is TOTAL national healthcare spending, not federal government spending alone. It includes private insurance premiums, employer coverage, out-of-pocket costs, hospital revenue, prescription drug spending, state/local spending, and so on.

People always throw out the "$5.6 trillion" figure to make it sound like the federal government personally handed out $5.6T in taxpayer money, which is misleading. The stat is usually cited to show how absurdly expensive and inefficient the US healthcare system is overall, not how much the government directly spent.

Federal spending only accounts for ~31% of that total number.

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2025.00545

National health expenditures to reach $8.6T by 2033: CMS | TechTarget

Dive into the latest projections for national health expenditures from CMS actuaries, predicting accelerated growth in healthcare spending through 2033.

www.techtarget.com

 

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[the cac mamba]

how do you even set up a mechanism for non-citizens to vote in elections, when it's illegal for them to register to vote

this pandering is pathetic, disgusting, and embarrassing. progressives are a joke