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Name the pandering. Show me the campaigns that center them above everyone else. And stop saying you have nothing against them, because that is at odd with what you are actually saying.

I didn’t say center them above everyone else I said the amount of pandering they do for such a small group that aren’t popular with the population as a whole makes no sense

How am I against them for what I said?

I said nothing bad about them. The fact that I’m apprehensive about them using women’s bathrooms or that I don’t think trans women should fight women in combat sports because it’s dangerous because they still have a man’s bone density doesn’t mean I am “against them”
 

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I didn’t say center them above everyone else I said the amount of pandering they do for such a small group that aren’t popular with the population as a whole makes no sense

How am I against them for what I said?
because that's what these lunatics and trans-fascists like @Pull Out The dikk do. if you don't blindly follow their deranged ideology, they just accuse you of being a bad person. and it's ironic, because they're the ones who hate women. progressives are currently the most misogynist group in america

but unfortunately for these idiots, people are just tuning them out. we've had enough; their lies and name calling doesn't work
 
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I didn’t say center them above everyone else I said the amount of pandering they do for such a small group that aren’t popular with the population as a whole makes no sense

How am I against them for what I said?

I said nothing bad about them. The fact that I’m apprehensive about them using women’s bathrooms or that I don’t think trans women should fight women in combat sports because it’s dangerous because they still have a man’s bone density doesn’t mean I am “against them”
You're backpedaling. First, you claimed Democrats were "pandering" to trans people, but can't name actual policies or campaigns, so you suddenly shift the goalposts and say you didn't mean they were being centered. Which is it? Because if you can't point to any real legislative or electoral action that privileges trans people *above* anyone else, then all you're doing is parroting empty culture wars rhetoric.

Second, don't insult anyone's intelligence by saying you "have nothing against them" while implying they're a political liability, and reducing this to sports and bathroom access. You're not being neutral. You're not "just asking questions." You're actively participating in the same narrative that paints trans people as deviant, dangerous, or ungrateful for existing. And that’s not support. It's contempt.

This idea that trans people are being "greedy" for wanting full rights exposes your true beliefs. You don't get to set the timetable for when marginalized groups should be "grateful" for partial dignity. Again, the reason they're targeted isn't because they asked for too much, it's because people like you treat their mere presence in public life as an imposition.

So again, either bring real, concrete evidence of this alleged "pandering" or admit that your discomfort is personal, not political. Because right now, you're trying to disguise bias as common sense, but it's not really holding up.

Edit: The fact that you're co-signing that racist animal @the cac mamba says it all. Go be a Republican already. From what I've read of your posts, you would fit right in.
 

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forcing an 82 year old woman to change with men, and banning her from the gym :mjlol:



some of you sick deviants on the left really need to come to the table on this issue. this is so fukking embarrassing :snoop:
 

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Supreme Court to rule on state bans on transgender students' participation in girls' and women's sports
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The justices dove into the ongoing debate over whether transgender girls and women can participate in student athletics.

July 3, 2025, 9:32 AM EDT / Updated July 3, 2025, 12:23 PM EDT
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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Thursday waded into the legal fight over state laws that ban transgender athletes from competing in girls' and women’s school and college sports, taking up cases from West Virginia and Idaho.

The court will hear cases involving two transgender students, Becky Pepper-Jackson and Lindsay Hecox, who challenged state bans in West Virginia and Idaho, respectively.


Both won injunctions that allow them to continue to compete in sports. Pepper-Jackson, now 15, takes puberty blocking medication, while Hecox, a 24-year-old college student, has received testosterone suppression and estrogen treatments.

The court’s decision to hear the case comes two weeks after the conservative majority delivered a major blow to transgender rights by upholding a Tennessee law that bans gender-affirming care for young people. In doing so, the court left various legal questions about transgender rights unresolved.

"Categorically excluding kids from school sports just because they are transgender will only make our schools less safe and more hurtful places for all youth," said Joshua Block, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, who is part of the legal team representing both students. "We believe the lower courts were right to block these discriminatory laws, and we will continue to defend the freedom of all kids to play.”

West Virginia Attorney General JB McCuskey welcomed the Supreme Court's intervention.

"The people of West Virginia know that it’s unfair to let male athletes compete against women; that’s why we passed this commonsense law preserving women’s sports for women," he said.

Idaho Attorney General Raúl Labrador, who is defending that state's law, echoed those sentiments, saying that "women and girls deserve an equal playing field."

Oral arguments will likely take place later this year, with a ruling expected by June 2026.

The states both enacted bans that categorically bar transgender students from participating in girls' or women’s sports. More than half the 50 states now have such laws, but legal challenges have not been decisively resolved.

The fight for and against the expansion of transgender rights has become a flashpoint nationwide and was an issue in the recent presidential election, with Donald Trump denigrating Democrats for supporting the effort. His administration has begun to roll back measures taken by President Joe Biden to expand protections for transgender people.

In February, the National Collegiate Athletic Association also changed course, announcing a new policy to limit women’s sports to “student-athletes assigned female at birth only.”

In Pepper-Jackson’s case, a federal judge initially ruled in her favor but concluded in January 2023 that the law was most likely legal and allowed it to be enforced against her. Pepper-Jackson appealed, and the Richmond, Virginia-based 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals blocked West Virginia officials from enforcing it against her.

The Supreme Court in April 2023 rejected the state’s attempt to enforce the law against Pepper-Jackson while the litigation continues, meaning she has been able to continue to participate in school sports, namely cross-country and track.

Hecox, who plays soccer and also runs, similarly obtained an injunction from a district court judge against Idaho officials. She also won on appeal at the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Pepper-Jackson and Hecox both failed to qualify for running teams at their respective schools, according to court papers. Pepper-Jackson did place third in the state for middle school discus and sixth in middle school shot put, losing out to cisgender girls. She finished 67th out of 68 in a cross-country event in eighth grade.


In barring transgender girls from participating in girls sports at the middle school, high school and college levels, the West Virginia law enacted in 2021 says gender is “based solely on the individual’s reproductive biology and genetics at birth.” As such, it says, a female is a person “whose biological sex determined at birth as female.”

The Idaho law, passed in 2020, states that sports “designated for females, women, or girls should not be open to students of the male sex.”


Both cases concern whether such laws violate the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which requires that the law apply equally to everyone. Pepper-Jackson’s case also raises a claim under Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, which prohibits sex discrimination in education.

The Biden administration unveiled proposals on how Title IX applies to transgender athletes, saying that blanket bans would be unlawful but concluding that it may be lawful to limit involvement in competitive sports. :snoop:


But the the Trump administration has reversed course, with the White House issuing an executive order titled: “Keeping Men out of Women’s Sports.”

In 2020, the Supreme Court ruled that federal law barring sex discrimination in employment protected LGBTQ people, a ruling that angered conservatives. The court is yet to rule on whether the same reasoning applies to Title IX.

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Justice Dept. Demands Patient Details From Trans Medicine Providers
Doctors and hospitals were subpoenaed for private information on gender-related care for minors, the latest move by the Trump administration to stop the treatments.

July 10, 2025, 5:05 p.m. ET
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Attorney General Pam Bondi said Wednesday that “medical professionals and organizations that mutilated children in the service of a warped ideology will be held accountable.”Allison Robbert for The New York Times
The Justice Department has issued subpoenas demanding confidential patient information from more than 20 doctors and hospitals that provide gender-related treatments to minors, according to officials with knowledge of the move.

The action marks a new turn in the Trump administration’s efforts to limit transgender medical care. Most of the subpoenas, issued through a unit that typically investigates health care fraud, attempt to pierce powerful federal confidentiality protections for patients and their medical providers.

Officials briefed on the investigation described the action as a fact-finding mission, an effort to determine whether any laws have been broken and a spur to kick-start negotiations with the providers over transgender treatment policy.

Investigators could eventually seek criminal charges if evidence of fraud is uncovered, officials said. But critics say the motivation is more political than investigative — a campaign of intimidation.

The subpoenas are part of a coordinated effort between the Justice Department and the White House to fulfill President Trump’s promises to curtail pediatric gender care. Pam Bondi, the attorney general, said in a statement Wednesday that “medical professionals and organizations that mutilated children in the service of a warped ideology will be held accountable.”

Revelations of the subpoenas come in the wake of a Supreme Court decision that upheld state laws banning youth gender medicine in about half the country. Hospitals and doctors in other states, where legislatures are unlikely to enact such bans, have faced increasing threats from the federal government. In response, a small number of clinics have limited their treatments or closed altogether.

It is unclear which hospitals and doctors received the subpoenas. But in May, nine leading children’s hospitals across the country received letters from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, demanding data on revenue from pediatric gender treatments and the rates of regret among patients, according to a person with knowledge of the effort.

Those letters applied explicit financial pressure to the hospitals. Dr. Mehmet Oz, the head of the agency, wrote that it “has an obligation to be a good steward of taxpayer dollars.” He added, “Hospitals accepting federal funds are expected to meet rigorous quality standards and uphold the highest level of stewardship when it comes to public resources.”

Other agencies have also been applying increased pressure to meet Mr. Trump’s demands.

In June, the F.B.I. put out a call to the public to report hospitals and doctors who were performing surgeries on minors.

And on Wednesday, the Federal Trade Commission hosted a daylong event devoted to the question of whether providers of transgender medical treatments were engaging in unfair or deceptive trade practices. A top Justice Department official, appearing at the event, announced that manufacturers of drugs used in such care were under investigation for possible violations of drug marketing laws, in addition to the subpoenas to health care providers.

Gender treatments for minors, which can include puberty-blocking drugs, hormones and, in rarer cases, surgeries, are at the center of fierce medical debate around the world.

Many clinicians and families in the United States and elsewhere have said that the treatments can be profoundly beneficial for transgender adolescents. While the number of minors who medically transition is small, demand for the treatments has increased in recent years, and countries have taken different approaches. Health agencies in England, Sweden and Finland have limited the treatments, citing the uncertain evidence of the benefits and the possible risks, which can include loss of fertility. Meanwhile, Germany has cautiously endorsed the treatments, citing the lack of effective alternatives.

None of these governments have banned the care or prosecuted hospitals or providers.

In the United States, a coalition of critics of youth gender medicine from both the right and the left have argued for banning the treatments. But now that most Republican-led states have already enacted such laws, the strategy appears to have shifted to singling out specific hospitals and providers in states without restrictions in place.

Multiple clinicians working at gender clinics in blue states declined to comment on the subpoenas and other recent actions, citing fears that doing so would endanger them and their patients.

“This politically motivated effort is a drastic overreach and a backhanded attempt to intimidate providers and institutions serving the transgender youth population,” said Dr. Scott Leibowitz, a child and adolescent psychiatrist who led a youth gender clinic in Columbus, Ohio, until that state’s ban took effect last year. The Justice Department’s subpoenas, he added, will create “widespread fear for every patient in the country who will be wondering when or if their private health care records will be released.”

Opponents of gender-related treatments called out specific doctors and hospitals during the discussions hosted by the F.T.C. on Wednesday, sometimes drawing from medical records and internal hospital presentations to argue that they had misled patients and insurers.

“This topic requires a thorough understanding of both the science and how it is entangled in politics. I read the latest scientific studies and speak regularly with doctors, patients, researchers and advocacy groups. I strive to be fair and empathetic, showing readers the nuance and complexity my reporting uncovers.”

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Also prominently featured were several young adults who transitioned as adolescents and later regretted it. While studies are limited, researchers estimate that 5 to 10 percent of patients choose to detransition.

“We need to make sure that no more kids are sold a product they can’t return,” said one panelist, Claire Abernathy, who underwent testosterone treatment and a mastectomy at age 14 and later detransitioned.

But the F.T.C. does not have authority over the practice of medicine, said Samuel Levine, the former head of the agency’s Bureau of Consumer Protection.

“The F.T.C. is in the business of commercial regulation, not medical decision-making,” said Mr. Levine, who led cases against companies falsely advertising supplements, stem cell treatments and addiction treatments during his tenure. “This is a significant departure from F.T.C. norms and a clear politicization of consumer protection.”

At least two hospitals, in Los Angeles and Pittsburgh, have decided to shut down their youth gender clinics entirely, citing mounting pressure from the Trump administration.

Children’s Hospital Los Angeles notified staff members in June that the clinic would shutter in late July. In an email, it told employees that the potential termination of federal funds — which account for 65 percent of its annual funding and enable it to be the largest pediatric safety net provider in California — would be “an existential threat to our hospital operations."

The Los Angeles and Pittsburgh children’s hospitals are among the nine that received the demand letter from Dr. Oz this spring; the others are in Boston, Philadelphia, Denver, Oakland, Cincinnati, Seattle and Washington. All of them appear on the so-called Dirty Dozen list of major providers identified by the activist group Do No Harm, which helped craft state bills banning pediatric gender medicine.

The group’s chairman, Dr. Stanley Goldfarb, a kidney specialist who was a former dean at the University of Pennsylvania’s medical school, said in an interview that his organization had worked with the Trump administration and that threats of funding cuts were key to the effort.

The federal government’s “ability to restrict payment is going to be a big influence,” he said.

At Wednesday’s F.T.C. event, speakers were asked to suggest next steps, now that the Supreme Court has allowed state bans of gender medicine for minors.

On the panel was Dr. Ethan Haim, a Texas surgeon who was indicted last year for releasing private medical information about transgender youth treatments; federal prosecutors under the Trump administration dropped the charges against Dr. Haim, who called himself a whistle-blower. On Wednesday, he argued that doctors providing this care should be prosecuted to create a chilling effect across the country.

“Then these people will be held accountable,” he said, “And there’s a very good chance this will stop even in blue states.”

Jordan Campbell, a fellow panelist who represented several detransitioners in malpractice lawsuits and now works for the Justice Department, responded, “Working on it, Dr. Haim.”

David McCabe and Reed Abelson contributed reporting.

Glenn Thrush covers the Department of Justice for The Times and has also written about gun violence, civil rights and conditions in the country’s jails and prisons.

A version of this article appears in print on July 9, 2025, Section A, Page 16 of the New York edition with the headline: U.S. Demands Confidential Patient Data About Trans Care. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe
 
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