it's a gun store/range.
Democrats position on guns is a stupid misdirection that actually hurts minorities
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GnauzBookOfRhymes
Superstar
That's what I mean by misdirection.
If we went to the gun control lobby today and told them to draft whatever laws they want to address the issues you just listed, and somehow had the power to implement them exactly as written - the number of black/brown people killed every year by guns would barely shift.
Most of the gun laws passed in this country were in response to political assassinations. And as is usually the case with laws in the U.S., we usually pass laws designed to prevent some tragedy that has already occurred (as if the future tragedies will follow the exact same path). The gun lobby, which became much stronger after the attempted Reagan assassination, is driven by the concerns of people who are the least likely to ever encounter gun violence and to be honest are at times simply uninformed. They then drag the entire party into battles regarding questions that will have little to no bearing on the number of people killed by guns (for instance the fascination with high capacity magazines and assault rifles).
Unfortunately, from our side, the obsession with gun control is really a way to avoid the greater more consequential, but uncomfortable, discussion about what really needs to take place if we want to see decreases in gun violence - an actual war on poverty and the conditions which lead to kids joining gangs and killing each other over "turf" that they don't own. That is my primary critique. That's not to say that all of those other policies (background checks, gun show loophole etc) shouldn't be implemented. They also make sense, but that will only affect gun violence on the periphery. It might prevent the mentally disturbed guy who "snaps" one day and because he's able to go to a gun show and get a weapon with little documentation etc, from killing his family/co-workers. But the number of people killed in these circumstances may be 1/1000 of the number killed in turf wars in the ghetto. But why are the policy prescriptions being pushed designed to prevent the least likely manner of dying from gun violence?
Look at the staff of the two biggest gun control organizations in the country.
About Us - Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
Our Team | Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
Babyshaq73
Pro
So they're an FFL and they don't have you fill out a 4473?
The transaction record is not a background check.
I'm going to a gun show in September.
Babyshaq73
Pro
I understand that, however the form can't be completed without the nics number which you get when the background check is run...
We all need guns.
Babyshaq73
Pro
I'm not sure what's so funny. Question number 19 asks for the NICS transaction number and if it came back approved denied or cancelled...Have you ever bought a gun?
yes I have. And once again the checks for NICS aren't very thorough.
Essentially they check if you've been convicted of a long sentence misdemeanor, a felon, domestic violence, or were flagged for having a drug addiction or institutionalized.
I don't consider that a very thorough background check. And it only applies if you purchase from an FFL.
And despite its intentions it doesn't do much to stop straw buyers.
Further due to the instant nature of the checks it has been in the past a victim of lapses.
Babyshaq73
Pro
yes I have. And once again the checks for NICS aren't very thorough.
Essentially they check if you've been convicted of a long sentence misdemeanor, a felon, domestic violence, or were flagged for having a drug addiction or institutionalized.
I don't consider that a very thorough background check. And it only applies if you purchase from an FFL.
And despite its intentions it doesn't do much to stop straw buyers.
Ok now we're getting closer to common ground. I agree about the straw purchases being a problem, but what proposed gun control could curtail them? Also what other disqualifying offenses besides the ones that you listed that it does check for, should be included in a background check?
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
You can call it a "right-wing talking point" but that doesn't invalidate what I'm saying and the reality of what has and is happening under liberal political control.
Honestly, probably just mental health. But that's difficult and expensive and how can you know I'd they weren't checked. But if we require people to go to the sheriffs office for fingerprinting and background checks for handgun permits would it be too much to have people's mental state checked before giving them that responsibility.
Regarding straw purchases, honestly, I don't really know of what you can do since most punishment for them comes after the fact and thats the alleged deterrent. It's just made such a big deal on the form, but it doesn't really deter it.
I'm just thinking out loud.
Wait limits between purchases probably solves some issues, but it creates more. Specifically if you were purchasing a firearm for self defense in a critical situation.
I guess, for me, a Dylan Roof shouldn't be able to purchase a handgun without a wait or being thoroughly checked into despite being a potentially disqualified buyer.
I apologize for the word salad.