Dennis Rodman: "LeBron James would be ‘average player’ in late ’80s or early ’90s"

[Newzz]

SOHH, Dennis Rodman says late 80s/early 90s huh?

Let's look at the quality of opponents in that time period compared to this year and see if he's on to something


1987 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Kevin McHale (HOFer)
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Moses Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
G Fat Lever
G Isiah Thomas (HOFer)

1988 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1989 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Tom Chambers
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1990 All-NBA 1st Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Tom Chambers
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1991 All-NBA First Team
C David Robinson (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson

1992 All-NBA 1st Team
C David Robinson (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Scottie Pippen (HOFer)
G Tim Hardaway
G John Stockton (HOFer)


vs LeBron's comp

2013 All-NBA 1st Team
C Tim Duncan (HOFer)
F LeBron James (HOFer)
F Kevin Durant
G Kobe Bryant (HOFer)
G Chris Paul

2nd Team
C Marc Gasol
F Blake Griffin
F Carmelo Anthony
G Russell Westbrook
G Tony Parker

3rd Team
C Dwight Howard
F David Lee
F Paul George
G Dwyane Wade
G James Harden






Crazy thing that Kobe and Tim Duncan aint even FROM LeBron's era They are both past their primes (which is the 2000's era) but the league is so watered down in the 2010s that they are BY FAR STILL the best players at their positions.

Those late 80s/early 90s rosters featured nothing but HOFers IN THEIR PRIME:mynikka:

 

[PS5 Pro]

Alot of MJ era players really don't like or respect Lebron. The hell he do to them to keep thier hate so strong?

Today's game is so different compared to then so Lebron's game would of evolved differently. He could of ended up like Barkley or Danny Manning

Spoiler

Depends on how tough he would of been

 

[Newzz]

Dominique Wilkins averaged 27.8 ppg, 7.1 rebs, 3.1 assists, 1.4 stls from 87-92 and was never a 1st Team All-NBAer and made the 2nd Team All-NBA only 3x during that time period (6 years)

on the other hand

Kevin Durant has averaged 26.6 ppg, 6.8 rebs, 3.1 assts, and 1.3 stls for his career (6 years) and is a 4x All-NBA 1st Teamer.



I guess it really does make a difference when you are battling the GOATS in their prime season in and season out



Dennis Rodman

 

[Marvel]

SOHH, Dennis Rodman says late 80s/early 90s huh?

Let's look at the quality of opponents in that time period compared to this year and see if he's on to something


1987 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Kevin McHale (HOFer)
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Moses Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
G Fat Lever
G Isiah Thomas (HOFer)

1988 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1989 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Tom Chambers
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1990 All-NBA 1st Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Tom Chambers
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1991 All-NBA First Team
C David Robinson (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson

1992 All-NBA 1st Team
C David Robinson (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Scottie Pippen (HOFer)
G Tim Hardaway
G John Stockton (HOFer)


vs LeBron's comp

2013 All-NBA 1st Team
C Tim Duncan (HOFer)
F LeBron James (HOFer)
F Kevin Durant
G Kobe Bryant (HOFer)
G Chris Paul

2nd Team
C Marc Gasol
F Blake Griffin
F Carmelo Anthony
G Russell Westbrook
G Tony Parker

3rd Team
C Dwight Howard
F David Lee
F Paul George
G Dwyane Wade
G James Harden






Crazy thing that Kobe and Tim Duncan aint even FROM LeBron's era They are both past their primes (which is the 2000's era) but the league is so watered down in the 2010s that they are BY FAR STILL the best players at their positions.

Those late 80s/early 90s rosters featured nothing but HOFers IN THEIR PRIME:mynikka:

You don't think that guys that are perennial All-NBA 1st and 2nd team in this era won't be HOFs? You are comparing players who completed their careers to guys who are barely half way through theirs.

 

[Newzz]

You don't think that guys that are perennial All-NBA 1st and 2nd team in this era won't be HOFs? You are comparing players who completed their career to guys who are barely half way through theirs.

Look at this list of All-NBAers from 2010-2013 (the LeBron Era). Tell me if they look as strong to you as them late 80s/early 90s teams.....if you watched basketball back then.



2009-10 NBA 1st Team
F: Kevin Durant F: LeBron James
C: Dwight Howard
G: Kobe Bryant G: Dwyane Wade

2nd Team
F: Carmelo Anthony F: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Amar'e Stoudemire
G: Steve Nash G: Deron Williams

3rd Team
F: Tim Duncan F: Pau Gasol
C: Andrew Bogut
G: Joe Johnson G: Brandon Roy

2010-11 NBA 1st Team
F: Kevin Durant F: LeBron James
C: Dwight Howard
G: Kobe Bryant G: Derrick Rose

2nd Team
F: Pau Gasol F: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Amar'e Stoudemire
G: Dwyane Wade G: Russell Westbrook

3rd Team
F: LaMarcus Aldridge F: Zach Randolph
C: Al Horford
G: Manu Ginobili G: Chris Paul

2011-12 NBA 1st Team
F: Kevin Durant F: LeBron James
C: Dwight Howard
G: Kobe Bryant G: Chris Paul

2nd Team
F: Blake Griffin F: Kevin Love
C: Andrew Bynum
G: Tony Parker G: Russell Westbrook

3rd Team
F: Carmelo Anthony F: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Tyson Chandler
G: Rajon Rondo G: Dwyane Wade


2012-13 NBA 1st Team
F: Kevin Durant F: LeBron James
C: Tim Duncan
G: Kobe Bryant G: Chris Paul

2nd Team
F: Carmelo Anthony F: Blake Griffin
C: Marc Gasol
G: Tony Parker G: Russell Westbrook

3rd Team
F: Paul George F: David Lee
C: Dwight Howard
G: James Harden G: Dwyane Wade


The only thing that would save these teams from getting SWEPT by those late 80s/early 90s teams is the fact that Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant (90s draft picks playing in their 3rd decade) are even on the team.

 

[MikelArteta]

Dominique Wilkins averaged 27.8 ppg, 7.1 rebs, 3.1 assists, 1.4 stls from 87-92 and was never a 1st Team All-NBAer and made the 2nd Team All-NBA only 3x during that time period (6 years)

on the other hand

Kevin Durant has averaged 26.6 ppg, 6.8 rebs, 3.1 assts, and 1.3 stls for his career (6 years) and is a 4x All-NBA 1st Teamer.



I guess it really does make a difference when you are battling the GOATS in their prime season in and season out



Dennis Rodman

different eras
its like comparing hockey in the 80s when wayne gretzky and lemieux were putting up like 80 goals in a season, teams were scoring 5-6 gaols a game to now where guys cant even get 50 goals a game and teams score like 3-4

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Well, look at the center position and laugh. Dwight 1st team Andrew on there

horford is a solid dude, nothing more. chandler

Forwards... Blake, David Lee Lee is one of the worst defenders EVER. Blake's offensive game consists of dunks and lobs and more dunks.

 

[dem bath salts]

not even worth it

 

[LeVraiPapi]

SOHH, Dennis Rodman says late 80s/early 90s huh?

Let's look at the quality of opponents in that time period compared to this year and see if he's on to something


1987 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Kevin McHale (HOFer)
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Moses Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
G Fat Lever
G Isiah Thomas (HOFer)

1988 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1989 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Tom Chambers
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1990 All-NBA 1st Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Tom Chambers
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1991 All-NBA First Team
C David Robinson (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson

1992 All-NBA 1st Team
C David Robinson (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Scottie Pippen (HOFer)
G Tim Hardaway
G John Stockton (HOFer)


vs LeBron's comp

2013 All-NBA 1st Team
C Tim Duncan (HOFer)
F LeBron James (HOFer)
F Kevin Durant
G Kobe Bryant (HOFer)
G Chris Paul

2nd Team
C Marc Gasol
F Blake Griffin
F Carmelo Anthony
G Russell Westbrook
G Tony Parker

3rd Team
C Dwight Howard
F David Lee
F Paul George
G Dwyane Wade
G James Harden






Crazy thing that Kobe and Tim Duncan aint even FROM LeBron's era They are both past their primes (which is the 2000's era) but the league is so watered down in the 2010s that they are BY FAR STILL the best players at their positions.

Those late 80s/early 90s rosters featured nothing but HOFers IN THEIR PRIME:mynikka:

KD is not a HOFer ? Melo is not ? Griffin is not ? Westbrook is not ? D Wade and Howard are not ?


Sit down breh breh

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Griffin is not ?

 

[LeVraiPapi]

Chris Mullin is a HOFer breh

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Mullin was better.

 

[dh86]

SOHH, Dennis Rodman says late 80s/early 90s huh?

Let's look at the quality of opponents in that time period compared to this year and see if he's on to something


1987 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Kevin McHale (HOFer)
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Moses Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
G Fat Lever
G Isiah Thomas (HOFer)

1988 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1989 All-NBA 1st Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Tom Chambers
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1990 All-NBA 1st Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Hakeem Olajuwon (HOFer)
F Tom Chambers
F Larry Bird (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson
G John Stockton (HOFer)

1991 All-NBA First Team
C David Robinson (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)
G Magic Johnson (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Dominique Wilkins (HOFer)
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G Kevin Johnson

1992 All-NBA 1st Team
C David Robinson (HOFer)
F Karl Malone (HOFer)
F Chris Mullin (HOFer)
G Clyde Drexler (HOFer)
G Michael Jordan (HOFer)

2nd Team
C Patrick Ewing (HOFer)
F Charles Barkley (HOFer)
F Scottie Pippen (HOFer)
G Tim Hardaway
G John Stockton (HOFer)


vs LeBron's comp

2013 All-NBA 1st Team
C Tim Duncan (HOFer)
F LeBron James (HOFer)
F Kevin Durant
G Kobe Bryant (HOFer)
G Chris Paul

2nd Team
C Marc Gasol
F Blake Griffin
F Carmelo Anthony
G Russell Westbrook
G Tony Parker

3rd Team
C Dwight Howard
F David Lee
F Paul George
G Dwyane Wade
G James Harden






Crazy thing that Kobe and Tim Duncan aint even FROM LeBron's era They are both past their primes (which is the 2000's era) but the league is so watered down in the 2010s that they are BY FAR STILL the best players at their positions.

Those late 80s/early 90s rosters featured nothing but HOFers IN THEIR PRIME:mynikka:

Why no name 3rd team from those years as well? Would destroy your argument? No pro Terry Cummings argument from you? Durant, Melo, Wade, Paul and Parker are all in the Hall of Fame if they retire right now. Today. Thus its pretty much the same ratio of Hall of Fame talent. That era had better centers, this era has better everything else. Thanks.

 

[Taadow]

Why no name 3rd team from those years as well? Would destroy your argument? No pro Terry Cummings argument from you? Durant, Melo, Wade, Paul and Parker are all in the Hall of Fame if they retire right now. Today. Thus its pretty much the same ratio of Hall of Fame talent. That era had better centers, this era has better everything else. Thanks.

Why are Melo and Paul in the Hall Of Fame if they retire right now?

 

[HoLLaBaCK]

Yes I agree that Jordan played in a tougher era (late 80's - mid 90's), however to say he would be average in any era is crazy to me. LB is a all-time great at this point, Top 5 all-time even if he never plays another game. I think people reacts to the "he's better than Jordan crowd" by going completely over the top opposite (like in this case).

I'd also would loved to see a in his prime Rodman guard LB. His defense was real in your face aggressive, not to mention I'd be interested to see how LB reacts to Rodman's mental games.

As far as is he better than Jordan, I can't even begin to process that thought. shyt I actually saw Jordan play!! It's easy for young nikkas to say LB is better bc they didn't watch the games, They didn't live thru to drama. Watching the last shot for the first time already knowing he hits it is mentally different from actually seeing it live. So yeah a young nikka can say LB is better bc to him that's the greatest he's actually seen. If you actually watched him play though you cant even start this till LB gets at least 4 rings.