Detroit Lions and Matthew Stafford agree to part ways

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How are people's view on skewed?

The Stat Padford name for starters.How many times has he got the offense points just for the defense to immediately implode then has to spend the rest of the second half playing catch up. Then backs and receivers (not named Megatron) dropping wide open passes.

There's plenty of games the Lions have lost when they've had a lead and his stat line is 300-350 yards 3 td's 1 int
 

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The Stat Padford name for starters.How many times has he got the offense points just for the defense to immediately implode then has to spend the rest of the second half playing catch up. Then backs and receivers (not named Megatron) dropping wide open passes.

There's plenty of games the Lions have lost when they've had a lead and his stat line is 300-350 yards 3 td's 1 int

And plenty of games where he didn't do shyt for three quarters and put up 200 yards on prevent defenses in the 4th. :ehh:
 

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How are people's view on skewed?

I don't know what people are thinking about him. He fits in the top 13-15 QB range. Reggie Bush ran for 1000 with the Lions once. Arm nearly as good as Patrick Mahomes, What's between the ears is a grade above Marcus Mariota level. Y'all thinking I'm just a Stafford hater. I've been on this train since 2014 especially. They had to reduce the playbook for him then to grasp it. Mike Lombardi reduced the same playbook that he had Drew Brees running in New Orleans. Y'all just see these numbers and then start cumming on yourselves because most of y'all don't watch the games.

Fixing Lions QB Matthew Stafford? It starts with taking care of his feet

The 32-year-old has been inconsistent for the majority of the Lions’ 1-3 start, at times looking like the quarterback who was playing at a Pro Bowl level in 2019 and at other times consistently missing receivers.

In two of Detroit’s four games, Stafford has completed less than 60% of his passes and in a third he completed just 60.6% of his throws. He hasn’t had a 300-yard game yet and has thrown interceptions in three of the Lions' four games this season.

Lions offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell pointed to Stafford’s footwork as being part of the issue.

“It usually goes back to your feet,” Bevell said. “Your feet really tell you the story, your feet [are] what gets you through your progressions, gets you through the play.”

He’s had a particular issue throwing deep, an area where he had a lot of success in 2019. So far this season, he’s completed 4 of 13 passes (30.8%) when he’s thrown the ball 20 yards or more in the air downfield and has been off-target on 46.2% of his deep throws. It’s the lowest completion percentage since 2014, when he completed 18 of 61 downfield passes (29.5).

This was this past season brehs, he was played like hot garbage for most of it. 12 years in the league, he is what he is.

2019-20 Deep Ball Project

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They haven't done 2020 yet but what are we supposed to do with this brehs? That's what his calling card is supposed to be, pushing the ball down the field. He was 19th here. On a list where such illustrious QBs like Mitchell Trubisky and Gardner Minshew surpass his level of accuracy for what should be the crown jewel of his abilities.

https://www.radio.com/971theticket/...caputo-matthew-staffords-trade-value-examined

Stafford is universally lauded for statistical greatness.

He has reached the 45,000-yard passing mark faster than any QB in NFL history. Stafford is fourth all-time in yards passing per game behind Patrick Mahomes, Drew Brees and Andrew Luck. He is seventh all-time in touchdown passes among active QB's, and 16th overall. He will turn 33 next month.

Stafford’s arm talent, toughness, smarts and work ethic are unquestioned. There is no QB better suited to lead late rallies. He is brilliant in the spread during the two-minute offense. It’s not a fluke he is eighth all-time, fourth among active QB's, in fourth-quarter comebacks.

You’d think given these factors, Stafford would draw interest from a contending team, perhaps as the final piece. Say, the Colts, if it doesn’t go well for Phillip Rivers in the postseason.

Yet, like seemingly everything involving Stafford, it’s complicated. The cracks in his effectiveness are exposed with just a little deeper dive into his statistics.

Stafford’s sparkling numbers are mostly because of volume passing. He has thrown more passes per game (37.2) than any QB in NFL history.

In the important yards per attempt category, Stafford is 20th among active QBs at 7.2 (between Teddy Bridgewater and Andy Dalton, and the same as the Lions’ much-maligned QB from decades ago, Milt Plum).

Stafford’s QB rating (89.9) is 15th among current QBs, just behind Jared Goff and barely ahead of Bridgewater. Stafford has thrown 23 pick-six interceptions, third among active players and seventh all time. In contrast, Aaron Rodgers has thrown just three and Russell Wilson five.

His completion percentage of 62.2 is 20th among active QBs, right between Carson Wentz and Alex Smith.

Stafford had three pick-sixes. On third-and-six and the Lions holding a lead in the opener vs. the Bears, Stafford was intercepted when he tried to fit a throw in-between defenders with less than three minutes left in his own territory. He took unnecessary sacks at the end of the first half which took points off the board on multiple occasions. His strip sack vs. the Colts was very costly. So was an ill-fated interception thrown on the run into the end zone vs. the Saints.

After general manager Bob Quinn and head coach Matt Patricia were fired, Stafford suddenly lit it up for more than 400 yards during an improbable victory over the Bears. He played much better down the stretch when the pressure was off. To say it was because of the coaching change is ridiculous. The interim head coach was offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell.

This came after Stafford played at high level the first half of 2019 before being sidelined by a back injury.

This season followed a consistent pattern in Stafford’s career.

In 2018, the Lions won three of four games to even their record at 3-3. In the next six games, before he suffered a back injury, Stafford threw six TD passes and was intercepted five times. He also lost two fumbles, most notably on an ill-fated pitch to Kerryon Johnson at Minnesota. And that was after the Monday Night Football disaster vs. the Jets in the opener and before his back injury.

Was it the head coach’s fault? Patricia, although a disaster, allowed Stafford to keep his hand-picked offensive coordinator by retaining Jim Bob Cooter.

Statistically, Stafford had his least effective season between his brilliant breakout 5,000-yard year in 2011 and the above-mentioned ’18 campaign during 2014.

The Lions won 11 games that season, though. The defense, albeit it benefitted by facing a lot of bad QB's, was excellent.

In 2015, with expectations heightened, the walls collapsed. With Stafford throwing 11 interceptions, the Lions started 1-7. General manager Martin Mayhew, who drafted Stafford first overall in 2009, was fired. So was team president Tom Lewand, who negotiated Stafford’s $42 million guaranteed rookie contract in the era before slotting for draft picks.

Offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi was the designated scapegoat. He was canned.

Stafford’s response: He became much more accurate and efficient under Cooter as the Lions rolled to a 6-2 mark in meaningless games the rest of the season.

Cooter ultimately became the scapegoat. He was fired after Stafford’s poor ‘18 season.

In 2013, the Lions were 6-3 after a road win at Chicago. Green Bay was struggling. The path was wide open for the NFC North title. All but one of the Lions’ remaining games, vs. 8-6 Baltimore, were against losing teams. Stafford threw 12 interceptions as the Lions lost six of seven. The Lions missed the playoffs. Head coach Jim Schwartz was fired.

It’s not like the Lions haven’t tried to augment the offense for Stafford. They have taken three tight ends in the first round, traded up multiple times for running backs early in the draft, selected offensive linemen in the first round, and spent big money on free agent wide receivers and linemen. It’s perhaps the biggest factor why they faltered so badly defensively.

Stafford was undeniably spectacular in 2011. His Captain Comeback routine in 2016 was special, at least until the end. His bounce back in 2019 before the injury was admirable.

But he has been paid for his trouble. Stafford has been the highest-paid player in the NFL, and among the Top 10 compensated athletes in the world, at certain points during his tenure with the Lions.

It’s possible Stafford could go elsewhere and move past the stone wall he’s inevitably hit in Detroit. But the notion he hasn’t played a role in the frustration surrounding the Lions simply isn’t true.


The Lions have been victimized by Stafford’s flaws, too.


And it could have a bearing on his trade value.

Note: Why did Stafford become accurate with Jim Bob Cooter. Because they realized they couldn't trust him to throw the ball downfield.

Matthew Stafford is Throwing It Down The Field Again

In 2016, Matthew Stafford averaged just 5.8 air yards per attempt on completed passes.

In 2017, Stafford averaged 6.0 air yards per attempt on completions.

In 2018, the Lions franchise quarterback averaged an anemic 4.8 AYpAoCP.
 

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Article from 2012

Matthew Stafford defends much-criticized mechanics

Part of the problem we have with the discussion about Stafford's mechanics is its focus on the playground-style arm angles he uses, while the bigger issue remains his footwork.




Stafford struggles to move well in the pocket, even when he has time, often failing to move up in the pocket and step into a throw. Instead, he relies on his arm strength and far too often throws off his back foot. (Lions fans will automatically blame the offensive line, but Jay Cutler would kill for the kind of protection Stafford gets.)

Article from 2013

Coach Killers, Week 15: About Matthew Stafford, franchise QB
And like most criticisms of Stafford's game, it comes down to decision making and mechanics.

“A lot of those balls, a lot of those interceptions are the receivers’ fault, or like I said they get tipped balls, stuff like that,” Johnson said, trying to deflect blame from the franchise QB (via the Detroit Free Press). “Matt’s doing good, man. Like I said, it’s on us. It’s a team effort. Like I said, I could have had some more plays today that could have changed the outcome of the game, so we can’t just put it on Matt.”

Except we can.

Early in the fourth quarter with the Lions trailing 12-10, Stafford thought this was a good idea:

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And it's every bit as bad as it looks:

- Sidearm pass. Check.
- Heavy traffic. Check.
- Linebacker staring right at you. Check.
- Receiver with no real chance to even get a hand on the pass. Check.

It got worse. On the Lions' final possession, trailing 18-16 with 38 seconds on the clock and having all three timeouts, Stafford rushed his very first throw and that, too, was intercepted.

Ball game

Article from 2018

Film Room: Matthew Stafford’s mechanics and pocket awareness are to blame for his 2018 struggles

The Detroit Lions are off to a horrible start this season and much of the blame falls on quarterback Matthew Stafford. While Stafford’s performance against the San Francisco 49ers Sunday was much improved from his Week 1 stinker against the New York Jets, there are still many concerns following the Week 2 loss.

On paper, Stafford had a great game in Santa Clara. 347 yards and three touchdowns will always hop off the page, but the quarterback struggled throughout. He missed many throws at both the intermediate and deep levels. His mechanics when throwing the ball were awful and he was panicked when put under pressure in the pocket.

The quarterback had trouble shifting his weight and getting his feet in order before he threw the ball. Even when he was not under pressure his release seemed rushed. Overthrowing passes downfield was the story of the game, as he missed four potential deep touchdown throws.

Article from 2020

Lions assistant coaches: Matthew Stafford's footwork may be tripping him up this season

Notice how through the years, different people, including coaches picked up on the same thing.


Wait, let's look and see what he was at Georgia.

NFL Combine Analysis: Matthew Stafford

One of the biggest question marks for Stafford is if he can get past his reputation of not being able to come through in the big game. In Georgia’s losses to Alabama and Florida his senior season he threw four combined interceptions and only managed two TD’s late against the Crimson Tide.

Although Stafford can be brilliant at times, he has been known to be plagued with inconsistency, a trait that cannot be masked in the NFL.

Another concern would be Stafford’s teachability.

He has so much potential and is so physically gifted that at times he seems to try to play above his potential. While this is a concern for some scouts, others argue that all of the greats have some of this in their DNA.

Scouting report: Matthew Stafford

Strengths:Stafford possesses an NFL arm able to make any throw needed. Incredibly strong arm. He has a quick, compact delivery. Has good footwork. Good pocket poise, stepping into the pocket as pressure come from the blind side. Has just enough mobility to avoid pressure or make something happen outside of the pocket. Already adept at reading a defense and finding weaknesses. Doesn't put his receivers at risk over the middle with high passes. Vocal leader.

Weaknesses: Really needs to put a better touch on some of his shorter passes instead of throwing hard every time. Too often throws passes up for grabs into multiple coverage. Didn't dominate as much as he maybe should have. Never really won a big game at Georgia. Had some maturity questions early in his career.

Final word: Physically, Stafford has everything a team would want in a quarterback. He has good size and an incredible arm. He has the strength to make any throw on the field and can read defenses. Didn't have the best offensive line or wide receivers around him. Improved his yards thrown, completion percentage and touchdowns every year. Still, though, Stafford has a little bit to go in regard to his decision making. With proper coaching, he could start as a rookie.

Memory Lane: Matthew Stafford at the 2009 NFL Combine

Scouts have concerns about Stafford trusting his arm with risky throws, but considering his marked improvement in a pro-style offense, durability and production again SEC competition, Stafford ranks among the elite talent in the 2009 draft. Had an arm span of 33 1/4 inches and a hand span of 10 inches at the combine."

Pros

"Perhaps a bit shorter than preferred, but has excellent bulk and strength for the position. Durable performer who never missed a college game due to injury, despite a leaky offensive line. Efficient footwork and depth on his drop from center. Quick to scan the field and go through his progressions. Elite arm strength. Can make all the throws and shows power and toughness getting the ball deep even when defenders are closing and making contact gives him by dropping to his second and third options."

Cons

"Can get fundamentally lazy. Though he has an efficient overall release, should be able to speed it up for underneath screens passes to take better advantage of the surprise to the defense. Sloppy footwork. Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL. Willing to throw into tight spots, though more often than not he places the ball where it needs to be. Not great accuracy on crossing routes. Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch."

He is still the same QB he was when he left Georgia, just with 250 million in the bank. Big arm and consistently underachieving.

https://www.radio.com/971theticket/...re-wrong-to-expect-more-from-matthew-stafford

You can certainly blame Stafford's year-to-year swings on the issues around him. It's hard to be consistently great with a running game that's consistently poor and with a defense that's consistently meh. Stafford has spent most of his career trying to beat his own team. Then again, he didn't blow anyone away when the Lions had an elite defense in 2014, or when they found the semblance of a rushing attack in 2013.

Were we wrong to expect more from Stafford this year? It's hard to argue against history. In our infatuation with his performance last season, it feels like we forgot -- or chose to forget -- everything we learned the eight seasons prior. By his own numbers, Stafford has never been a consistently elite quarterback in the NFL.

Ultimately, I've been there for most of the throws, most of the heartache. I am just not going to sit here and let people canonize Stafford and pretend to be something he's not. Sure, you can go #SOL for a lot of his shortcomings but you can also look at #9 himself for a healthy dosage of those too.

Thankfully, we are going to fleece some team that think that it was all Detroit and not him and I'm happy for it.
 

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Kirk Cousins has more career playoff wins than Stafford :mjgrin:

Yet some dumb ass team like the Vikings giving Cousins all that $$ will give up a bunch of picks for Stafford because “He’s such a great standup guy.” :mjlol:
 

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I don't know what people are thinking about him. He fits in the top 13-15 QB range. Reggie Bush ran for 1000 with the Lions once.

:laff: That’s the best season any running back had here in a decade. That’s part of the problem. There hasn’t been a QB in the league that has been saddled with as much trash at the RB position. We had ESPN make memes of it . We celebrated Kerryon Johnson had the first 100 yard rushing game in forever .Literally defenses don’t have to gameplan for lions rush attack. That’s a problem .



as far as that 2019 deep ball stat,the lions downfield threat is ..Marvin Hall that nikka wouldn’t be in the league anywhere else but the lions kept him sound because he was the only one that could stretch the field consistently. Kenny is a good WR but that’s not his game .

Also that same stat says Minshew and Trubisky are better deep ball throwers than Rodgers ..we not going to believe that
 
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