Did Floyd duck these fighters ?? casual question to the hardcores

[shroommon]

He ducked Kostya Tzysu, Prime Manny, Paul Williams, Sergio Martinez, Antonio Margarito, and Vernon Forrest

how / why ...

make a case for each fight

 

[Controversy]

how / why ...

make a case for each fight

Floyd avoided taller fighters who could jab

Uncle Roger said Vernon Forrest had the fighting style to give Floyd probs & he would've been the ultimate test

Fans wanted to see Floyd fight Margarito...Floyd had no interest even tho it would've been a big pay day

The same reason he didn't fight Forrest is the same reason he didn't fight Williams or Martinez, too much length

 

[theflyest]

Prime Manny- Politics and fukkery ruined that, but you can still call it a duck for either guy depending on who you stan. remember they had a lawsuit too.

Margarito - lowkey duck, but then promoter fukkery kinda ruined that too.

Prime Cotto - Cotto himself said he wasn't ready. So no duck

Shane - No duck. They honestly fought at the best time for their careers which is when they both got older.

Clottey -No duck. Other side of the street shyt,but Clottey never made himself a name to the point where people wanted to see a Floyd fight

Paul Williams - No duck. Timing was off and the window was only open for a small moment because Quintana upset Paul. Paul got revenge and then moved up. You can't duck somebody who not at your weight.

Amir Khan - No duck, Khan wasn't moving right and tried to finesse big fights with pac n floyd and it would backfire. He'd get upset or look bad in fights whenever a floyd fight seemed possible in the near future. Thats why he eventually settled for the Canelo pay day even though he stood a higher chance of losing badly.

Thurman- not a duck. They could have fought, but its more like a timing thing on this one.

everything I said above is being on some regular objective non stan shyt. Some will agree. Some won't, but it's just how I personally saw shyt play out during the time. Floyd doesn't really have a lot of ducks imo. Meaning as far as fights that realistically could have happened that people wanted to see.

This is a very good breakdown.

Mayweather/PAC was a business decision on both sides imo. They pretty much waited until they were basically the only option left for each other. It made sense because they made a lot of money in that 6 year gap fighting other opponents, and a lot of money when they’re fight actually happened.

There is a case for the Margarito fight.

One can also make a case that he chose to retire as the WW division was heating up, but that would only be speculation.

The idea that he ducked Paul Williams is hilarious. I always laugh when that comes up. Every fighter has that period where they are the “boogeyman.” Thurman was a boogeyman. Spence was a boogeyman. Imagine if those guys just moved up prematurely. That’s basically what Paul did. I really don’t like the way Paul’s career was managed.

 

[theflyest]

Floyd avoided taller fighters who could jab

Uncle Roger said Vernon Forrest had the fighting style to give Floyd probs & he would've been the ultimate test

Fans wanted to see Floyd fight Margarito...Floyd had no interest even tho it would've been a big pay day

The same reason he didn't fight Forrest is the same reason he didn't fight Williams or Martinez, too much length

There is no point time where Mayweather/Forrest made sense.

 

[shroommon]

im not going to rehash this convo ....that topic has been done enough on here esp with the stanleys out there

but if you know, you know....but there are definitely fighters that he could have or should have fought...and its not just at welterweight

can you name some names / give context ?

 

[seemorecizzy]

what about Amir Khan or young Keith Thurman

ppl claim he ducked them too

khan lost the floyd fight when he lost to lamont pederson and got stopped by danny garcia in back to back fights. before that, it seemed like he waa gonna get a shot.

same goes for berto, although berto eventually got a shot at da very end

 

[seemorecizzy]

This is a very good breakdown.

Mayweather/PAC was a business decision on both sides imo. They pretty much waited until they were basically the only option left for each other. It made sense because they made a lot of money in that 6 year gap fighting other opponents, and a lot of money when they’re fight actually happened.

There is a case for the Margarito fight.

One can also make a case that he chose to retire as the WW division was heating up, but that would only be speculation.

The idea that he ducked Paul Williams is hilarious. I always laugh when that comes up. Every fighter has that period where they are the “boogeyman.” Thurman was a boogeyman. Spence was a boogeyman. Imagine if those guys just moved up prematurely. That’s basically what Paul did. I really don’t like the way Paul’s career was managed.

this is da only argument that holds any type of weight and even that is a stretch. he took a break cause his hands were fukked up and his body needed a recharge after moving up 5 weight classes

the whole floyd waa ducking thing really exposed how dumb and easily manipulated boxing fans could be. literally no one called him a ducker for the first 11 years of his career lmao

then he left bob arum and all of a sudden he was a scared fighter lmao

 

[rico_ens]

Amir Khan is someone who deserved a Mayweather fight? He couldn't even handle slow ass Danny Garcia...I have no idea where someone get the idea Mayweather ducked Thurman...lol

Well Thurman was his mandatory, floyd was on some bullshyt with the fight Spence first then I'll fight u ended up fighting berto instead.

I must be the only one who remember floyd asking fans on Twitter who they wanna see next khan or maidana even after the broner fight n everyone chose khan he ended up fighting maidana instead lol

 

[Electric Ladyland]

he did

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

This is a very good breakdown.

Mayweather/PAC was a business decision on both sides imo. They pretty much waited until they were basically the only option left for each other. It made sense because they made a lot of money in that 6 year gap fighting other opponents, and a lot of money when they’re fight actually happened.

There is a case for the Margarito fight.

One can also make a case that he chose to retire as the WW division was heating up, but that would only be speculation.

The idea that he ducked Paul Williams is hilarious. I always laugh when that comes up. Every fighter has that period where they are the “boogeyman.” Thurman was a boogeyman. Spence was a boogeyman. Imagine if those guys just moved up prematurely. That’s basically what Paul did. I really don’t like the way Paul’s career was managed.

Facts
You really can only make a case for prime Manny and Margarito.

Definitely agree with your take on Paul too. He wasn't managed that well, plus he was unlucky on top of that. Remember all the bullshyt he was being put through for the Pavlik fight that never ended up happening.

 

[Mowgli]

How do you duck someone you're older than

 

[King P]

Well Thurman was his mandatory, floyd was on some bullshyt with the fight Spence first then I'll fight u ended up fighting berto instead.

I must be the only one who remember floyd asking fans on Twitter who they wanna see next khan or maidana even after the broner fight n everyone chose khan he ended up fighting maidana instead lol

No, I remember that too. And Floyd made the right choice picking Chino.

People also forget that Khan was offered the Devon Alexander fight when Devon was the IBF champ, with the understanding that if he beat Devon then he'd basically be guaranteed the Floyd fight next. However Khan turned fight down because he was he sure Floyd would pick him regardless. Only to get turned down and end up fighting Devon a year later for nothing

I'm glad Khan's bytch ass didn't get the fight with Floyd. And him turning down Devon Alexander actually led to the rise of Shawn Porter, so we can thank Khan for that

 

[R=G]

Well Thurman was his mandatory, floyd was on some bullshyt with the fight Spence first then I'll fight u ended up fighting berto instead.

I must be the only one who remember floyd asking fans on Twitter who they wanna see next khan or maidana even after the broner fight n everyone chose khan he ended up fighting maidana instead lol

Did he fight Spence or not? Lol....Thurman wanted that huge payday.

 

[Suspicious Dingo]

The idea of Floyd Mayweather duck Amir fukking Khan of all people is outrageous

 

[desjardins]

Prime Manny might be the strongest case cause uncle Roger and others were on record saying shyt like they don't know how Manny is moving up in weight and destroying people, etc. Seems like there was some discussion in Floyd camp about how dangerous that fight would be and the testing discussion evolved from that.

Floyd was the first fighter I remember publicly leveraging that "A side" shyt and having fans ride with it. If fans believe fighters should be able to control their destiny and everything is about making the most money and having leverage then it's always a rationale explanation for a "duck" (ie: people riding with Canelo comments on Andrade) , so in that context it's kind of hard to call any strategic move a duck and be taken seriously