Did Hogan Hold Macho Man Back?
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The WrestleMania IV shyt is just hindsight talking...
Nobody thought that Hogan's help didn't make Macho look good or strong or whatever. It told a story. Macho winning it straight up would've been good as well, but the way it was done made Macho a bigger star IMO.
Hogan gets fukked over for the belt in the first place, by Dibiase and Andre, DiBiase tries to buy his way to the title, He once again fukks over Hogan with the use of a chair at Mania, meanwhile Savage is winning his tournament matches through straight up skill, until he runs into the duo of DiBiase with Andre on the outside... he's outperforming DiBiase thru the match but is outnumbered and sure to lose due to their cheating... Hogan comes out not only to even the score but to look out for Macho. In the end, their cheating backfires, as the ref is distracted admonishing Andre, and then Hogan does some cheating of his own, and Macho hits the elbow for the pin. This also solidifies Savage and Hogan's alliance, and it builds a feud with DiBiase and Andre for a big time main event at a new PPV.
I just don't think a straight up one on one match with a normal finish would've been as big a deal. Fans didn't care about shyt like that. That shyt only looks bad now cause everybody wants to book.
Now all the later shyt from the 90s, blah... but that late-80s Megapowers shyt was
I don't know why for the life of me y'all think that shoulda gone differently.
Nobody thought that Hogan's help didn't make Macho look good or strong or whatever. It told a story. Macho winning it straight up would've been good as well, but the way it was done made Macho a bigger star IMO.
Hogan gets fukked over for the belt in the first place, by Dibiase and Andre, DiBiase tries to buy his way to the title, He once again fukks over Hogan with the use of a chair at Mania, meanwhile Savage is winning his tournament matches through straight up skill, until he runs into the duo of DiBiase with Andre on the outside... he's outperforming DiBiase thru the match but is outnumbered and sure to lose due to their cheating... Hogan comes out not only to even the score but to look out for Macho. In the end, their cheating backfires, as the ref is distracted admonishing Andre, and then Hogan does some cheating of his own, and Macho hits the elbow for the pin. This also solidifies Savage and Hogan's alliance, and it builds a feud with DiBiase and Andre for a big time main event at a new PPV.
I just don't think a straight up one on one match with a normal finish would've been as big a deal. Fans didn't care about shyt like that. That shyt only looks bad now cause everybody wants to book.
Now all the later shyt from the 90s, blah... but that late-80s Megapowers shyt was
I don't know why for the life of me y'all think that shoulda gone differently.
Kill Dat Noize
Banned
Now all the later shyt from the 90s, blah... but that late-80s Megapowers shyt was
the angle is fine. keep the mania 4 finish, keep the mega powers, keep the animosity building between hogan and macho... but instead of savage attacking hogan with his back turned he challenges him to a match at wrestlemania straight up.
what do you have against that? you think the match would have drew less?
it would have made for a much more interesting dynamic. instead of turning savage into hogan's villain of the week, you instead present him as credible challenger to hulk's throne. as with hogan/warrior, fans would have been forced to pick sides. not to mention you have the added dimension of elizabeth and her loyalty to both her husband and her friend. it would have been fukkin crazy.
the way you prefer it, the way it actually went down... marked the peak for them. from there business went downhill. and seeing as how the audience had been growing and growing up to that point, i don't see why they couldn't have capitalized on it and kept that momentum going.
but you wanna know how you DON'T do it? by having hogan completely no sell savage's finisher and beating him like a jobber on superstars. because once you do that you flush the potential for a rematch down the toilet. no one cares now.
Eric Bischoff spent 1997 grooming Sting for that big clean pin from Hogan/WCW Savior push at Starrcade 97 but we all saw what happened with that
All that buildup and all those eyes tuned in to the PPV only to be flushed down the drain due to politics
Scott Hall came up with the idea and created Stings dark gimmick to help boost him for those who don't know that
Hogan put Sting over more than he did anyone else in his career.
And Sting might not even be a top 10 all time wrestler.
Prime Macho > Prime Rock
Blasphemy
Blasphemy
I wish we could see 1989 Macho vs 2000 Rock to find out.
Of course Hogan held him back some because he knew Randy was over and had the potential to overtake him in popularity. Savage was that dude and one of the best to do it regardless so that shows how talented he was. But even with that said I feel Randy could have been even bigger then he was if Hogan would have gave him more of a rub.
Macho is a top 3 all time star regardless...
80's WWF Heavyweight & Tag Champion, 90's WWF Heavyweight Champion, WCW Heavyweight Champion
Who else can say they did that outside of Hogan & Flair.
Kill Dat Noize
Banned
or if not overtake him at least function as a viable substitute for an indefinite period of time. i mean let's be honest no matter how that match is booked there's absolutely no telling whether savage, or whether ANYONE... would have been as big as hulk hogan but at the same time i don't think it would have hurt to give him a shot. hogan's draw wouldn't have been effected and it would have legitimized randy as another top level superstar. if for whatever reason randy doesn't draw like hulk, or if he flops as the top guy... you can always reserve the right to turn him heel LATER.
plus if you ask me it might have even added another 1-2 years to the shelf life of hogan's gimmick. up until that point hogan had never really been in a position of vulnerability. the hulkster usually always came out on top unless the other guy cheated. but assuming he actually does lose clean to randy at mania 5, now you're talking completely uncharted territory. now we can explore hogan from an entirely new angle we haven't seen before as he wills himself back to the top of the mountain. the rocky 3 angle.
meanwhile savage's ego as champion is growing and growing, him and liz are on the outs, he picks up sherry, dubs himself the macho king... and hogan returns to face him around summerslam. it might have been even bigger than their match at mania.
I don't understand what you're saying because Randy was legitimized as a top level superstar.
Kill Dat Noize
Banned
but he never got a chance to reach the same level as hogan.
Nobody else did either because the fans made Hogan the god of wrestling.
But still outside of Flair and Hogan the next biggest star is Macho.
Who is a greater heel in wrestling history than the Macho man?
Kill Dat Noize
Banned
okay but what do you think might have happened if savage went into wm5 as a face? you think he would have got booed out of the building??? don't you think it would have been worth a shot??
as for who's the greatest heel of all time, i guess that depends on what aspects you value more than others. so before i try and think of an answer, i guess i should be asking you why you think macho is the greatest.