Did Suge Knight really know anything about making music or producing?

[theflyest]

I give Suge credit for having an ear in deathrow's prime & knowing what was hot.

Nyggas have to remember Andre does not like 90% of any of the material he creates. We would have missed out on a lot of classic music if Suge did not put that shyt out.

Knowing how Andre operates, can you imagine him really wanting projects like Above the rim, murder was the case soundtrack,etc released?

 

[Jacaveli The Don]

Saying Suge had no talent is disgracing the greatest rap label of all time

I believe Suge had the final say on the tracklists on albums like 'Murder Was The Case', 'Above The Rim' etc and of course, he paid for the studio time.

Dre was the master behind the boards and Suge ran the business side. 'The Chronic' was recorded before they signed to Interscope, Suge and Dre shopped around the finished album before Interscope put the money up.

Also, Suge, Dre and Death Row OWNED all the masters to their catalogue, completely unheard of then and probably now.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

how much did he really have to do with that ?

He told pac to put kc and jojo on it.

 

[theflyest]

Saying Suge had no talent is disgracing the greatest rap label of all time

I believe Suge had the final say on the tracklists on albums like 'Murder Was The Case', 'Above The Rim' etc and of course, he paid for the studio time.

Dre was the master behind the boards and Suge ran the business side. 'The Chronic' was recorded before they signed to Interscope, Suge and Dre shopped around the finished album before Interscope put the money up.

Also, Suge, Dre and Death Row OWNED all the masters to their catalogue, completely unheard of then and probably now.

He was a great talent scout & had a huge influence on the content released on his label. He learned the game as a bodyguard & knew exactly who he needed (Dre, Doc) to make a label work.

The guy was absolutely a beast on his path to success. Once DR because successful though, he just fell off hard. He just lost his hustle.

Pac's arrival also hurt Suge. When he saw the type of work ethic Pac brought, creating large volume of music at a high level, he kind of felt that is all he needed.

Suge just really fukked up. With Pac's willingness to work with anyone, he could have brought in some new talent, & had acts like Pac, Jodeci, etc appear on these projects.

If the music industry, especially in the 90s, you have to anticipate & accept the possibility that artist do fall off, so you never stop looking for star talent, which they should have been able to attract at the time.

 

[Bigsuk]

What you for ?? .... Am talking about promoting , producing and knowning what fans will like and radio friendly songs all which are facts .... Puffy is a marketing genius and i dont even like puffy just telling the real ...

 

[Bigsuk]

He was a great talent scout & had a huge influence on the content released on his label. He learned the game as a bodyguard & knew exactly who he needed (Dre, Doc) to make a label work.

The guy was absolutely a beast on his path to success. Once DR because successful though, he just fell off hard. He just lost his hustle.

Pac's arrival also hurt Suge. When he saw the type of work ethic Pac brought, creating large volume of music at a high level, he kind of felt that is all he needed.

Suge just really fukked up. With Pac's willingness to work with anyone, he could have brought in some new talent, & had acts like Pac, Jodeci, etc appear on these projects.

If the music industry, especially in the 90s, you have to anticipate & accept the possibility that artist do fall off, so you never stop looking for star talent, which they should have been able to attract at the time.

What do u mean pac fukked up suge ?? U mean it created a jealousy type atmosphere due to suge putting all his eggs in 1 basket ??? If thats what u mean then i get where ya coming from but it wasnt really that it was the beefing and street shyt that fukked up the label i give respect to suge he handled his bizz and took care ov his homies from his hood but like i said before it kinda became the demise ov the label in away

 

[theflyest]

What do u mean pac fukked up suge ?? U mean it created a jealousy type atmosphere due to suge putting all his eggs in 1 basket ??? If thats what u mean then i get where ya coming from but it wasnt really that it was the beefing and street shyt that fukked up the label i give respect to suge he handled his bizz and took care ov his homies from his hood but like i said before it kinda became the demise ov the label in away

I am not sure why you are having a hard time interpreting what I typed, which was pretty straight forward. Once Pac came to deathrow & displayed his insane work ethic, Suge started to neglect his other artists. He became content and felt that all he needed was Pac.

Harry O spoke on this, I believe on the Welcome 2 Death row documentary. He spoke on the conversations he had with Suge on how Pac was a workhorse that just wanted to stay in the studio. He literally felt Pac was all he needed.

Obviously there where an accumulation of things that led to Deathrow's downfall. This thread is not about beef/street shyt. This thread is about what did Suge bring to the table as a businessman & executive producer. He did a great job, but simply got content when Pac arrived.

 

[H. Selassie]

In the trailer for that reality show that never came out, you see Suge in the studio telling Young Life that the drums are the foundation to every track.

That's the only time I've seen him shed musical knowledge but it was very on-point

 

[I love Latina women]

suge knew what worked in terms of how to sell the music and had a pulse on what people wanted to hear

he speaks on addin' 2pac on "california love" in this video and how he told pac his album should be titled "all eyez on me" instead of "euthanasia" here

 

[onlylno]

In the trailer for that reality show that never came out, you see Suge in the studio telling Young Life that the drums are the foundation to every track.

That's the only time I've seen him shed musical knowledge but it was very on-point

drums and bass are the foundation of 99% of black music.

 

[theflyest]

suge knew what worked in terms of how to sell the music and had a pulse on what people wanted to hear

he speaks on addin' 2pac on "california love" in this video and how he told pac his album should be titled "all eyez on me" instead of "euthanasia" here

This is a real good clip illustrating what Suge does. He brought a fresh pair of eyes/ears, determined what worked & what made sense, etc.

Its unfortunate Suge/Dre split.

Obviously Dre did not need Suge, however for me personally, I just don't think Aftermath has a really strong catalog. Suge Knight's ear is always to the street. He's always in the clubs. Dre has been so far removed from the streets that he has a hard time gauging what is hot, which was the reason for his reluctance to release Detox.

I think the OP's question has been answered. Did he actually create the music? No, but if your in the studio everyday for years, your gonna obviously pick up some stuff. His job was to put together projects that would generate revenue.

I believe Suge became self aware & understood he was never going to have a talented roster like that again, so he just became petty. Acts like the Realest, Top Dogg, projects like chronic 2000, too gangsta for the radio, etc. All petty shyt. Everything was half ass.

 

[FunkyFresh]

Great thread hahaha


To be fair I have no idea how involved in the music side of things he was
But his track record
Of executively producing albums is crazy.

Chronic
Doggystyle
Murder was the case
Dogg food
G funk classic 1 and 2
Retaliation revenge and get back

 

[H. Selassie]

drums and bass are the foundation of 99% of black music.

And you think this is obvious to just any old casual listener? Some might say the melody or the instrumentation.

Sure, Suge didn't say anything prodigy-like about music but he at least displays a basic knowledge of what makes a good record.

 

[H. Selassie]

Great thread hahaha


To be fair I have no idea how involved in the music side of things he was
But his track record
Of executively producing albums is crazy.

Chronic
Doggystyle
Murder was the case
Dogg food
G funk classic 1 and 2
Retaliation revenge and get back

Don't forget Safe + Sound

 

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