Did y'all see Sherman throwing Russell Wilson under the bus to boost himself up?

[Dr. Narcisse]

I'm NOT a Russ fan on any level but I have never seen a noteworthy QB disparaged like this on a broadcast. Not just the Sherman nonsense, which feels performative at this point (he did this 3-4 years ago during the Denver years, also on an Amazon broadcast). But to have Gonzales say Russ is playing himself out of the HOF? Can anyone think of a time in ANY professional American sport where someone has said something like that? If Patrick Ewing played for the Magic a few more years would anyone say he was playing himself out of HOF consideration? Getting into the HOF is hard for QBs in the NFL, and Russ has holes in his resume (no 1st Team All-Pros). But nothing he's done recently erases 10 pro bowls and the massive success he had in Seattle.

Maybe he was thinking of how it ended for McNabb. Basically those last 2 years killed his HOF chances. Although at the time people based it on thinking he had another good 4 or 5 years left.

 

[murksiderock]

According to the NFL100 that all these players vote for every year, Russ was a Top 5 QB going into these seasons:

2014 (#5 QB; #20 overall player)
2015 (#5/#22)
2016 (#5/#17)
2018 (#5; #11)
2020 (#2; #2)
2021 (#5; #12)

According to his own peers, he was always better than Padford and Eli. There's some serious revisionism going on with Russ' career right now.

Isn't that on Russ though for continuing to pick shytty situations? Some of y'all keep trying to give Russ the benefit of a doubt for the situations he continues to put himself in.

It essentially comes down to this:

Do you think Russ did enough in Seattle to warrant the HOF? Yes or no?

If no, do you think what he's accomplished since is enough to help get him over the hump?

I always thought Russ was a HOFer, but your argument makes sense. And while I felt the Seattle run made him one, I can concede that he wasn't a shoo-in first ballot.

If people don't think he's a HOFer, that's fine with me, its when they start using his post-Seattle career to make that argument, or when they are putting guys like Stafford or Eli over him.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I always thought Russ was a HOFer, but your argument makes sense. And while I felt the Seattle run made him one, I can concede that he wasn't a shoo-in first ballot.

If people don't think he's a HOFer, that's fine with me, its when they start using his post-Seattle career to make that argument, or when they are putting guys like Stafford or Eli over him.

It's fair game to use it though as it's done with other athletes that are on the HOF bubble as well. The fact of the matter is that Russ has done nothing since Seattle to strengthen his HOF case.

Acknowledging that isn't a slight against Russ at all and people gotta stop treating him with kid gloves when all of his post Seattle career is on him and his poor decision making.

To me, if you're on the bubble of the HOF, then you need to have something or a defining moment that a lot of your other peers don't have. For Eli, it's those two SB MVP's which only other HOF before him have and the fact that one was against the undefeated Patriots. Unfortunately for Russ, people think he's product of the LOB and they will always hold that interception against him whether it's fair or not, so he needs something post Seattle to help his argument.

 

[mson]

It's fair game to use it though as it's done with other athletes that are on the HOF bubble as well. The fact of the matter is that Russ has done nothing since Seattle to strengthen his HOF case.

Acknowledging that isn't a slight against Russ at all and people gotta stop treating him with kid gloves when all of his post Seattle career is on him and his poor decision making.

To me, if you're on the bubble of the HOF, then you need to have something or a defining moment that a lot of your other peers don't have. For Eli, it's those two SB MVP's which only other HOF before him have and the fact that one was against the undefeated Patriots. Unfortunately for Russ, people think he's product of the LOB and they will always hold that interception against him whether it's fair or not, so he needs something post Seattle to help his argument.

You think people treat Russell with kid gloves?

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

You think people treat Russell with kid gloves?

During the end of his Seattle and during the Denver yes as they were saying it was on the coaches in him not being allowed to "Cook".

Even @CHICAGO is in here trying to make excuses for Russ eventhough he willingly picked every destination he went to and flamed out.

 

[mson]

During the end of his Seattle and during the Denver yes as they were saying it was on the coaches in him not being allowed to "Cook".

Even @CHICAGO is in here trying to make excuses for Russ eventhough he willingly picked every destination he went to and flamed out.

I see way more people shytting on him than coddling him. And it's not even close.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I see way more people shytting on him than coddling him. And it's not even close.

The narrative against him has been steering these past few years as everyone outside of the LOB was giving Russ the benefit of a doubt and blaming Pete and Denver for Russ issues instead of admitting that he was washed.

We're not going to act like people including the ones on here shytting on him now weren't clamoring to "Let Russ Cook" and pushing back against the narrative that he was washed.

 

[CHICAGO]

According to the NFL100 that all these players vote for every year, Russ was a Top 5 QB going into these seasons:

2014 (#5 QB; #20 overall player)
2015 (#5/#22)
2016 (#5/#17)
2018 (#5; #11)
2020 (#2; #2)
2021 (#5; #12)

According to his own peers, he was always better than Padford and Eli. There's some serious revisionism going on with Russ' career right now.

YOU KNOW WHO ELSE
HE WAS RANKED HIGHER IN
ALL OF THOSE SEASONS YOU LISTED?

HOF SHOE IN BEN ROTHLISBERGER

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[Big Boss]

This gotta be personal

 

[murksiderock]

It's fair game to use it though as it's done with other athletes that are on the HOF bubble as well. The fact of the matter is that Russ has done nothing since Seattle to strengthen his HOF case.

Acknowledging that isn't a slight against Russ at all and people gotta stop treating him with kid gloves when all of his post Seattle career is on him and his poor decision making.

To me, if you're on the bubble of the HOF, then you need to have something or a defining moment that a lot of your other peers don't have. For Eli, it's those two SB MVP's which only other HOF before him have and the fact that one was against the undefeated Patriots. Unfortunately for Russ, people think he's product of the LOB and they will always hold that interception against him whether it's fair or not, so he needs something post Seattle to help his argument.

Your HOF case is based on a longevity of how long you were in your prime, and how high did you peak.

Russ' 2021 injury effectively ended his prime. You could argue he was beginning a gradual decline before that, but what is inarguable is that he has never been the same player post-Seattle that he was while ge was there. So grade him off of his prime---->from 2013 thru 2020 he is a Top 5 guy of that era, that's an 8-season run.

What he's done since then is largely irrelevant; what he did while he was in his prime is enough to state a Canton case.

 

[mson]

The narrative against him has been steering these past few years as everyone outside of the LOB was giving Russ the benefit of a doubt and blaming Pete and Denver for Russ issues instead of admitting that he was washed.

We're not going to act like people including the ones on here shytting on him now weren't clamoring to "Let Russ Cook" and pushing back against the narrative that he was washed.

And I was one of them. He deserved the benefit of the doubt.

 

[mson]

Edit

 

[murksiderock]

And aint nobody got kid gloves for Russ or going light on him my very first post in this thread was about his role in how his later career has played out

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Your HOF case is based on a longevity of how long you were in your prime, and how high did you peak.

Russ' 2021 injury effectively ended his prime. You could argue he was beginning a gradual decline before that, but what is inarguable is that he has never been the same player post-Seattle that he was while ge was there. So grade him off of his prime---->from 2013 thru 2020 he is a Top 5 guy of that era, that's an 8-season run.

What he's done since then is largely irrelevant; what he did while he was in his prime is enough to state a Canton case.

The HOF committee might say otherwise.

Russ post Seattle career is relevant if those voters think that his Seattle run only had him on the bubble as he's done nothing since to help his case, which is exactly what Sherman and Tony are saying.

Their point is going over a lot of people's heads.

 

[Rayzah]

Shermans comments ain’t affecting Russ job


Whatever type of shyt russ was on in that lockeroom was very personal clearly

I mean so many of his teammates didn’t rock with him. That’s gotta mean something

Like TO was hated by the media but he had a lot more teammates defending him than Russ does. Maybe just maybe dude is an a$$hole in the locker room. There is nothing wrong with the on screen personality giving their honest opinion about this dude.

He not a HOF in my opinion either he game never wowed me he never made it seem like he was invaluable to the team. He did enough to get one and should’ve been two rings tho but I still don’t think he was an all time great.

His celebrity relationship has kept his name in people mouths longer than it would have if he didn’t date Ciara.