Did y'all see Sherman throwing Russell Wilson under the bus to boost himself up?

[murksiderock]

And if they can get two SB MVP’s out of like Eli did, then let’s have a discussion.

All other QB’s with two of them are in the HOF.

That's a discussion that you and others think are warranted.

I don't place a ton of value on Super Bowl MVPs, its like the NBA Finals MVP. It's not totally insignificant, but I would say you and others overvalue the weight that they should hold---->even if he has two.

It's even less significant with someone like Eli when you realize he never even won a playoff game in the other 14 years of his career. Never even won another playoff GAME. Only went to the playoffs 4 other times, 0-4.

I find it a fallacy to bring up how other guys with two MVPs are in Canton, when we should (in my opinion) be evaluating guys based upon their own specific careers and merits. We aren't talking about somebody else with two SBMVPs---->we talking about Eli Manning.

The two SBMVPs are a conversation starter for you, not for me, because of what I realize he was for his career in totality.

I feel like he has been talked about more than he should because of his relationship

From a purely football standpoint his was slightly above mid for a few seasons with Seattle but he was carried by their defense and Lynch. He hasn’t been shyt since he left.

The bolded is revisionist history.

Where is all of this Smoke for Ben and Eli, dudes were straight chump change for YEARS before retirement. It's always your own people being used for this bullshyt

Exactly.

 

[PHamm]

Him and Russ never been cool. Why should he pretend now?

Sherman straight up hates. It's not a "never been cool" thing.

 

[PHamm]

Even in the case of someone like Eli who should have a been a borderline HOF could point to his two SB and Super Bowl MVP’s including one over the undefeated Patriots to help get him over the hump.

Eli sb mvp in 2007 was ridiculous. 17 points ??? Lmao. David Tyree deserved it more if we are judging off single plays

 

[Bryan Danielson]

 

[Ineedmoney504]

I'm not making a pro Big Ben argument, i don't fukk with him. And imo his behavior off the field should ban him.

I'm just explaining why saying "Russ finished higher than him on NFL 100 tho" is an asinine argument. Russ with two rings would be a shoe in just like Ben.

Y’all. Been even in his last season was a better qb then Russ.

 

[CHICAGO]

Y’all. Been even in his last season was a better qb then Russ.

THATS WHY HE HAS NO ALL PROS?



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[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

That's a discussion that you and others think are warranted.

I don't place a ton of value on Super Bowl MVPs, its like the NBA Finals MVP. It's not totally insignificant, but I would say you and others overvalue the weight that they should hold---->even if he has two.

It's even less significant with someone like Eli when you realize he never even won a playoff game in the other 14 years of his career. Never even won another playoff GAME. Only went to the playoffs 4 other times, 0-4.

I find it a fallacy to bring up how other guys with two MVPs are in Canton, when we should (in my opinion) be evaluating guys based upon their own specific careers and merits. We aren't talking about somebody else with two SBMVPs---->we talking about Eli Manning.

The two SBMVPs are a conversation starter for you, not for me, because of what I realize he was for his career in totality.

The bolded is revisionist history.

Exactly.

The problem with that is that you many times in your essays and including others on this site have placed importance on winning rings and performing when it matters most above all, so it's disingenuous and hypocritical to pretend like they don't matter or have less importance now. They're still a part of his legacy and resume whether you think they deserve it or they're important or not.

If Russ the ring and the SB MVP's we wouldn't be having this discussion now and you'd be using it to make your argument.

Don't be a hypocrite.

 

[CHICAGO]

The problem with that is that you many times in your essays and including others on this site have placed importance on winning rings and performing when it matters most above all, so it's disingenuous to pretend like they don't matter or have less importance now. If Russ the ring and the SB MVP's we wouldn't be having this discussion now and you'd be using it to make your argument.

Don't be a hypocrite.

SB MVPS WOULD
ADD TO RUSS HOF RESUME...

THEY WOULDNT BE A DETERMINING
FACTOR FOR HIS HOF SELECTION.

ELI LITERALLY HAS NOTHING
TO HANG ON CAREER WISE
IN TERMS OF HOF SELECTION
BUT THOSE 2 GAMES WHERE
HIS DEFENSE HELD THE PATS TO
15.5 PTS


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[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

SB MVPS WOULD
ADD TO RUSS HOF RESUME...

THEY WOULDNT BE A DETERMINING
FACTOR FOR HIS HOF SELECTION.

ELI LITERALLY HAS NOTHING
TO HANG ON CAREER WISE
IN TERMS OF HOF SELECTION
BUT THOSE 2 GAMES WHERE
HIS DEFENSE HELD THE PATS TO
15.5 PTS


​

They could potentially be the deciding factor as it showed that he performed when it mattered most

So we're going to add like those SB MVP's during the moments that matter most wouldn't help bolster his SB argument

You and others on this site bring up Jordan's 6 Final MVP's at every argument as to why he's the GOAT and better than Lebron, but now want to say those same MVP's have less importance.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Both Tony and Rich are on some bullshyt


And I don't see any superbowl wins on Tony's resume and he's suppose to be the goat TE

Tony's playoff numbers are putrid

0-7
30 catches total

 

[CHICAGO]

They could potentially be the deciding factor as it showed that he performed when it mattered most

So we're going to add like those SB MVP's during the moments that matter most wouldn't help bolster his SB argument

You and others on this site bring up Jordan's 6 Final MVP's at every argument as to why he's the GOAT and better than Lebron, but now want to say those same MVP's have less importance.

WHAT DONT YOU GET?

THOSE 6FMVPS ADD TO MJS RESUME.
JORDAN WAS LITERALLY BEING
CALLED THE GOAT BEFORE HE EVER WON A TITLE

THIS IS LIKE PUTTING
CHANCEY BILLIPS ABOVE
CP3 BECAUSE HE HAS A FMVP

RUSS WAS EASILY A BETTER PLAYER THAN ELI


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[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

WHAT DONT YOU GET?

THOSE 6FMVPS ADD TO MJS RESUME.
JORDAN WAS LITERALLY BEING
CALLED THE GOAT BEFORE HE EVER WON A TITLE

THIS IS LIKE PUTTING
CHANCEY BILLIPS ABOVE
CP3 BECAUSE HE HAS A FMVP


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I think CP3 is the GOAT or at least mine, so I wouldn't use this as the basis of your argument.

 

[CHICAGO]

I think CP3 is the GOAT or at least mine, so I wouldn't use this as the basis of your argument.

ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK
ABOUT CP3.
ITS THE SAME shyt



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[Based Lord Zedd]

This Eli Manning shyt is a distraction. The bar for HOF is not "are you better then Eli."

That's irrelevant. And again, no, Eli doesn't deserve to get inm

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

That speaks more to his consistency and durability, not necessarily peak which I think most people prioritize when talking HOF.

Good points.

Feel like a player needs both. A really short but VERY HIGH peak (Terrell Davis) versus a lower but solid peak with lots of consistency and longevity?

First ballot HOF = you should have both a high peak and some degree of longevity.

After the first ballot, then you start looking at guys either lack the high peak or who had short careers. Running backs, QBs etc., are easy to judge for the average fan.

Why does John Lynch deserve the HOF over Darren Woodson? DW could cover like a corner, stop the run...all of it. That's usually where the arguments start. Guys who are comparable but one gets in and the other doesn't.