Diddy Is Giving All His Bad Boy Artists Their Publishing Back, Former Bad Boy Artist Mark Curry Responds

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Tommy Gibbs said:
and sell it to who? No one is streaming, using, or trying to license music of Mase, Loon, G Dep(in prison), Shyne, or Da Band in 2023 or beyond. Their publishing checks quarterly are probably about $2k if that.
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Exactly.

they only want BIG and Puff will never let that go. The licensing of BIG’s music is a passport to print money and you periodically hear one of BIG’s songs in a movie or in the promo for a movie.
 
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I think this a positive story for Puffy. People saying that these Bad Boy Artist catalogs aren't worth much now are wrong. This is a streaming age and with the way the youth listens to music, they always discover an old song and can blow it up. You never known when a song will be a commercial or movie. Those Bad Boys Records are tailor made for the mainstream. Biggie just had music in the "Transformers" and "Fast and Furious" trailers. Both of those were Worldwide Blockbusters. One was "Juicy" and the other was "Notorious Thugs". Both of those records are over 25 years old still generating. "Notorious Thugs" wasn't even a single. You also have to factor in sampling. Plenty of those Bad Boy songs are being sample or have sample potential. That's more money.

Now Loon and G-Dep didn't have that many hits but were on a few big records. Shyne can still ride "Bad Boyz" and "Bonnie and Shyne" they both sound great till this day. Hopefully Black Rob estate got his because "Whoa" can make some bucks for him. Puffy, Faith, Biggie, Mase had countless hits that can still generate till this day. In this streaming age, Publishing is very important to have. It's so shocking how many rappers didn't own their publishing or sold their publishing for a quick deal. Fast money isn't always good money. This is why Artist selling their catalogs better think twice. If they are willing to pay you 50 or 100 Million, guess what, it's worth way more than that.
 
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Rapmastermind said:
I think this a positive story for Puffy. People saying that these Bad Boy Artist catalogs aren't worth much now are wrong. This is a streaming age and with the way the youth listens to music, they always discover an old song and can blow it up. You never known when a song will be a commercial or movie. Those Bad Boys Records are tailor made for the mainstream. Biggie just had music in the "Transformers" and "Fast and Furious" trailers. Both of those were Worldwide Blockbusters. One was "Juicy" and the other was "Notorious Thugs". Both of those records are over 25 years old still generating. "Notorious Thugs" wasn't even a single. You also have to factor in sampling. Plenty of those Bad Boy songs are being sample or have sample potential. That's more money.

Now Loon and G-Dep didn't have that many hits but were on a few big records. Shyne can still ride "Bad Boyz" and "Bonnie and Shyne" they both sound great till this day. Hopefully Black Rob estate got his because "Whoa" can make some bucks for him. Puffy, Faith, Biggie, Mase had countless hits that can still generate till this day. In this streaming age, Publishing is very important to have. It's so shocking how many rappers didn't own their publishing or sold their publishing for a quick deal. Fast money isn't always good money. This is why Artist selling their catalogs better think twice. If they are willing to pay you 50 or 100 Million, guess what, it's worth way more than that.
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Yeah, but that would be a lot of maybes to line up in order for them to get hot enough to stream their music. Most of the modern listeners never even heard those songs, and it's not like they're Biggie who's name and music always gets brought up. Mase has a seemingly buzzing sports podcast and people still aren't playing his music like that. Granted, that could change but, but history is showing us a popular podcast doesn't mean ish for an artist's music. Total, Loon, G-Dep, Black Rob, Da Band (Ness always owned his publishing which is why he sat on the shelf), Aasim, Mark Curry...and even The Lox Bad Boy stuff (when was the last time anyone heard their Bad Boy music)...their music is pretty much worthless to mainstream.

Puff may be about to cash out though. And his Bad Boy catalog is divided among a few labels.
 
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nieman said:
Yeah, but that would be a lot of maybes to line up in order for them to get hot enough to stream their music. Most of the modern listeners never even heard those songs, and it's not like they're Biggie who's name and music always gets brought up. Mase has a seemingly buzzing sports podcast and people still aren't playing his music like that. Granted, that could change but, but history is showing us a popular podcast doesn't mean ish for an artist's music. Total, Loon, G-Dep, Black Rob, Da Band (Ness always owned his publishing which is why he sat on the shelf), Aasim, Mark Curry...and even The Lox Bad Boy stuff (when was the last time anyone heard their Bad Boy music)...their music is pretty much worthless to mainstream.

Puff may be about to cash out though. And his Bad Boy catalog is divided among a few labels
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I was just giving examples how it's better to have your publishing than not. Also a "Maybe" or even a series of "What ifs" is a better possibility than "Nothing" because they don't own the publishing rights. We just saw Kelis throw a fit over Beyonce's sampling "Milkshake". Rumors are Pharrell actually owned the rights and publishing on that song because Neptunes are listed as producers and writers and not Kelis. She had no control over the clearing of the sample. Pharrell is rumored to have given her the publishing back on that track and now she's all in Commercials with Puffy for the Super Bowl marketing the song. That was Kelis biggest hit and due to sampling and commercial placements, she can still generate.

Also Bad Boy is like a Franchise. So If I'm a young Rap Fan wanting to learn about Biggie and his Legendary career. It could take me down the Bad Boy rabbit hole, it could lead to other Artists songs. The Lox have been screaming for their publishing for years. Mase as well. And their Bad Boy Album actually sold more records than "We Are the Streets" and had bigger hits. Not to mentioned all their features (Puffy owned the their publishing on Benji's, Mariah etc), Also Puffy was already offered big money to cash out with the catalog and he turned it down. Could he be waiting for the right price? Sure. But as I said, people better think twice about selling their catalogs. Especially in this digital age.
 
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Tommy Gibbs said:
both are very valuable. Even if you own the publishing, no one can sample the ORIGINAL RECORDING without the permission of the master recording owner. So for example, I own a label with the masters and you are the rapper. Someone wants to sample your song. You have control over that, but they got to pay you AND me as the master recording owner. If they don't want to pay me, they can go the route of interpolation and just pay you while cutting me (the master recording owner) out. So technically you're correct, but without ownership of the master recording, the publishing owner can't release a greatest hits compilation of the ORIGINAL recordings. They'd just have to re-record all of their music, as we've seen with artists like Taylor Swift.
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Again,...

If said sellout artist signed and had administrative issues.

Like I opened my entry and premise into this thread.
They could encounter those very issues. Yet in discovery.
if said artist never had said work published.

Said work would never be up for licensing, to do anything you spoke up, of, or on.

As it would be passed over from the discovery process. For a number of causes and rhe main admin cause would be cited as the work was not published.






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You can say alot of negative about Puff but you can't say that dude don't know talented rappers. From BIG to Craig Mack, Mase, The Lox, G-Dep, Black Rob, Shyne etc.

Puff still jive as hell but this was a solid move.
 
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