Didn't kno Timbo samples a lot

[Smile Gang]

Do you think all of these trap synth melodies are original?

Sorry man it just baffles my mind how you think pioneers of hip-hop (Premo, Dilla, Pete Rock) are not "creative".

They might be "creative" in the sense that they do create an end product. To me it just takes away from the authenticity of that end product because portions of it are not their work. It's not their authored interpretation of a style or sound, it's literally another person's product.

With that in mind, one can criticize trap melodies all day and night but at the end of the day I have more respect for a five note melody than a 0 note melody which is essentially what a sample melody is. (I understand you can play samples assigned to different notes/pads and those guys do, but 0 of the notes are yours.) If they have the skill to author a simple 5 note melody why don't they? That style is illegitimate to me.

Guys in this post want to act like they don't get it, and that's fine, they don't have to get it for it to be fact, but there is nothing authentic about it. And I find that paradoxical in a genre that has long claimed to demand authenticity.

To me, at least trap producers are actually playing their own music. If all you can do is play 2 notes, at least that shyt is yours and you're actually contributing to the culture.

And there's more talent to to making trap beats than people admit. Half of the so called producers who criticize trap beats couldn't make one slap to save their lives. You can just browse the Soundclick pages of some users on this board or hit up Youtube and search for "Lex Luger Style Beat" and see just how awful some attempts at trap beats are.

Young Chop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Premo, Dilla (RIP), Pete Rock

 

[spliz]

Do you think all of these trap synth melodies are original?

Sorry man it just baffles my mind how you think pioneers of hip-hop (Premo, Dilla, Pete Rock) are not "creative".

I just couldnt imagine this nikka growin up on hip hop in the 80s and 90s...with his mentality he literally would have hated it..lol..which is why I know he either is mad young or hasnt been into hip hop that long...I can imagine him sittin there back then...nikkas be like "YO..U heard that new Dre n Snoop?..Nothin But A G Thang?..Dre's production is stupid dope.."...here this nikka go.."Dre is wack..he used a sample"...nikkas lookin at him like ""

 

[spliz]

They might be "creative" in the sense that they do create an end product. To me it just takes away from the authenticity of that end product because portions of it are not their work. It's not their authored interpretation of a style or sound, it's literally another person's product.

With that in mind, one can criticize trap melodies all day and night but at the end of the day I have more respect for a five note melody than a 0 note melody which is essentially what a sample melody is. (I understand you can play samples assigned to different notes/pads and those guys do, but 0 of the notes are yours.) If they have the skill to author a simple 5 note melody why don't they? That style is illegitimate to me.

Guys in this post want to act like they don't get it, and that's fine, they don't have to get it for it to be fact, but there is nothing authentic about it. And I find that paradoxical in a genre that has long claimed to demand authenticity.

To me, at least trap producers are actually playing their own music. If all you can do is play 2 notes, at least that shyt is yours and you're actually contributing to the culture.

And there's more talent to to making trap beats than people admit. Half of the so called producers who criticize trap beats couldn't make one slap to save their lives. You can just browse the Soundclick pages of some users on this board or hit up Youtube and search for "Lex Luger Style Beat" and see just how awful some attempts at trap beats are.

Young Chop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Premo, Dilla (RIP), Pete Rock

...this nikka is on crack..lmao..

 

[Smile Gang]

I just couldnt imagine this nikka growin up on hip hop in the 80s and 90s...with his mentality he literally would have hated it..lol..which is why I know he either is mad young or hasnt been into hip hop that long...I can imagine him sittin there back then...nikkas be like "YO..U heard that new Dre n Snoop?..Nothin But A G Thang?..Dre's production is stupid dope.."...here this nikka go.."Dre is wack..he used a sample"...nikkas lookin at him like ""

At that age I loved Dre and Snoop. I didn't really understand sampling being not someone's original work. I just saw it as what dudes did, until I got old enough to know right from wrong LMAO.

"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."

 

[spliz]

At that age I loved Dre and Snoop. I didn't really understand sampling being not someone's original work. I just saw it as what dudes did, until I got old enough to know right from wrong LMAO.

"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."

Shut up nikka u just said Young Chop is better than Premo and Pete Rock etc...ur opinion on hip hop aint shyt to me from here on out..lol

 

[Smile Gang]

Shut up nikka u just said Young Chop is better than Premo and Pete Rock etc...ur opinion on hip hop aint shyt to me from here on out..lol

That's fine pleghboi. I don't need it to be.

My impeccable taste exists independent of your valuation of it.

Maybe one day Chop will teach dudes to contribute to society.

 

[PhonZhi]

Man this thread saddened me. Maybe I'm looking at it differently than some of you (in-fact I know I am.) But, this thread really just took away a lot of my respect for Timbaland.

I know he's a beast and one of the "all-time" names. But I had no idea that large of a percentage of his catalog was "lifted." Vid came on I was like:



I understand there are a lot of producers who thrive off sampling like Kanye, Jus Blaze etc. but I always just took their level of skill with a grain of salt.

I thought Timbaland actually played his shyt. Turns out 80% of his hits were loops that he put "cool drums" behind? I understand sampling is a part of hip-hop but damn homie.

Timbo's just the "cool drums" guy?

same here breh...i actually kinda regret i clicked this thread. cant believe my fav Timbo beat More Than A Woman is basicly a copy

 

[PhonZhi]

To each its own. I'm not a big 9th Wonder/DJ Premier/Alchemist fan for that reason. When Guru (RIP) made that speech on some Gangstarr shyt talking about "leave us alone for sampling" or whatever he was saying I was like how bout tell your producer play the damn keyboard.

kinda makes ya respect The Neptunes a little more now doesnt it

 

[Brooklynzson]

 

[mortuus est]

 

[Smile Gang]

same here breh...i actually kinda regret i clicked this thread. cant believe my fav Timbo beat More Than A Woman is basicly a copy

Killt me breh

Like I'm still down...

 

[Smile Gang]

kinda makes ya respect The Neptunes a little more now doesnt it

See I always fukked with the Neptunes. Don't nobody post no Neptunes exposure videos. I'm not clickin!

 

[yoyoyo1]

knew it, no one has that much creativity with the unorthodox samples.

those middle eastern beats these producers steal are fire though. the bollywood tunes especially

 

[Da Jungles]

Let me be clear. I have a great sense of dope melodies and have a very easy time coming up with them. What im saying,is I COULD JACK A DOPE LOOP AND MAKE HITS OFF IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER. THE "POWER" in the melody or combination of melodies. Example: anybody could take the main melody from BETWEEN THE SHEETS and make a good to great sounding record. Some records might be better than others but its still the truth. Around 1994 big poppa FUNKDAFIED and THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING IN THE WORLD all dropped. All the beats sound vastly different,but all happen to be the marquee songs for the artists that made them. About 6 years ago i created a folder of music that lined up various group of songs that used the same sample,hook etc. So i know this very well. Look at I AINT NEVER SCARED and FREAK LIKE ME. Jacked the same hook and both are the only hits for bonecrusher and adina howard. nikkas say im wrong for saying sampling is easir to kaoe hits with,but name me a producer that doesnt sample,yet has as many memorable songs asthese sampling ass nikkas. The majority of all revered hit making hip hop producers has made a career off jacking other nikkas melodies. Dre kanye timbo etc. I salute premo for not being a serious jacker like most but he's nobody outside the internet and eastcoast. Hes not a HITMAKER.IN 1984 GHOSTBUSTERS SOUNDTRACK wanted a song from HUEY LEWIS AND THE NEWS. He said naw. So they jacked his song I WANT A NEW DRUG'S bassline, and had RAY PARKER JR create the ghostbisters theme song (on phone cant link). Easy work. Im not sayinv sampling remaking etc doesnt take talent AT ALL. But making homemade lasagna is harder than hamburger helper.

Why don't you?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Why don't you?

I enjoy making original music. Your sarcastic question is pointless. It suggest that if it's so easy,why won't i do it. That's a cool question,if you're insinuating that. However,you're totally ignoring the facts i layed down,so...........