Didn't kno Timbo samples a lot

[spliz]

You think sampling is so easy I'd like to see some "composer" take 10 different records and use different components of those songs, parts of which are in different keys and different tempos etc and brig it together to make a beat like Pete Rock or Prince Paul or RZA etc or take a piece of a song that is barely noticed, 4 notes in a 6 min song and turn it into something like Mass Appeal

Exactly...

 

[Smile Gang]

Ur analogy is fukkin stupid...and with ur mentality u basically shyttin on every legendary hip hop producer in the game...including the ones who play live instruments...MOST of the most classic hip hop records come from sampling...and u shyttin on all that...and claiming to love the culture at the same time...THATS why u gettin roasted...it aint cause nikkas is fake beatmakers..its cause u playing yaself more and more by the post...

That's your opinion though just as mine is mine. Dudes can be legendary producers because like I said earlier there's much more that goes into producing a song than just creating the initial 4/8/16 bar loop and tracking it out/arranging it into verses, hooks, bridges etc. There is a lot more than that and I acknowledge it. But, if the meat and bones of your song is The Delfonics or some bollywood composer then you don't get full credit for your assignment from me. I'm not sure why that bothers some of you guys. If you give full credit for ripped off production more power to you. I don't. That's a deduction. +5 for cool drums +5 for innovative baby sounds -8 for the core of the melody not being yours. Usually, most real producers would rather play the shyt over anyway, that way you don't have to pay the owner of the master when you go to clear the sample. But again according to sour ass sample masters on here I don't know anything about producing.

I was simply taken aback when I saw the video and learned that so much of Timbaland (a personal favorite)'s catalogue was based on theft and appropriation.

Please don't act like a real percentage of actual producers with real credits and mainstream awards don't look down at sampling as corny shyt. Because many do, and so do I.

 

[Red Maverick II]

Man this thread saddened me. Maybe I'm looking at it differently than some of you (in-fact I know I am.) But, this thread really just took away a lot of my respect for Timbaland.

I know he's a beast and one of the "all-time" names. But I had no idea that large of a percentage of his catalog was "lifted." Vid came on I was like:



I understand there are a lot of producers who thrive off sampling like Kanye, Jus Blaze etc. but I always just took their level of skill with a grain of salt.

I thought Timbaland actually played his shyt. Turns out 80% of his hits were loops that he put "cool drums" behind? I understand sampling is a part of hip-hop but damn homie.

Timbo's just the "cool drums" guy?

I know how you feel dude.

Timbo was one of my favorite producers cause I thought he made his music from scratch, no samples.

When word got out he stole beats, I was like damn

There was some video on Youtube showing a whole bunch of beats he stole, and I lost mad respect for son

 

[Smile Gang]

I know how you feel dude.

Timbo was one of my favorite producers cause I thought he made his music from scratch, no samples.

When word got out he stole beats, I was like damn

There was some video on Youtube showing a whole bunch of beats he stole, and I lost mad respect for son

Finally a voice of reason.

What part of "that's not his work" don't these dudes understand.

When a comic steals a joke its taboo. It's regarded as the utmost clown shyt.

If you went to see comedian Joe Blow and he did 25 minutes of Kevin Hart material with cool drums and baby noises added, you'd boo his ass off the stage.

But producers can steal sounds and loops? Fukkouttahere. How many relevant examples do I have to give?

Then they hit me with "But stealing music is a part of culture and tradition"

Then they hit me with "But it takes talent and skill to steal those sounds/loops and use them properly."

If you have so much talent and skill, put it to use making original music and stand on your own two feet.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Timbaland Samples (Part 1) - YouTube

Those drum sounds

 

[DaveyDave]

at you idiots trying to come up with analogies to sampling. it's not just like stealing a comedians jokes

so tell me this all you "play your own shyt" elistists - if someone does a cover song (or an album FULL of covers which has happenned lots of times) then that's just as bad or worse than sampling is it not? all these bands that use the same 3 chords in every damn song, use the same chord progressions, take ideas from a classic band or album. how is that original?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

You think sampling is so easy I'd like to see some "composer" take 10 different records and use different components of those songs, parts of which are in different keys and different tempos etc and brig it together to make a beat like Pete Rock or Prince Paul or RZA etc or take a piece of a song that is barely noticed, 4 notes in a 6 min song and turn it into something like Mass Appeal

Making a complex beat from a bunch of different samples IS PROBALY NOT EASY. But making a powerful beat off someone's already dope melody is very easy

 

[Scotch Hall]

Can't believe you guys never knew he sampled. He had a couple lawsuits a few years back.

yo there was some dudes he sampled from belgium that one track from nelly fertudo

whats messed up with timb is that dude doesn't credit his samples, there is also a smug air about him in every picture that I just don't like.

 

[spliz]

Why the fukk does nikkas who dont respect the culture even fukk wit it in the first place?..I dont get it...sampling is a BIG part of hip hop production...if u cant appreciate that than how could u appreciate the music?..its fukkin stupid...

 

[Tom Foolery]

Finally a voice of reason.

What part of "that's not his work" don't these dudes understand.

When a comic steals a joke its taboo. It's regarded as the utmost clown shyt.

If you went to see comedian Joe Blow and he did 25 minutes of Kevin Hart material with cool drums and baby noises added, you'd boo his ass off the stage.

But producers can steal sounds and loops? Fukkouttahere. How many relevant examples do I have to give?

Then they hit me with "But stealing music is a part of culture and tradition"

Then they hit me with "But it takes talent and skill to steal those sounds/loops and use them properly."

If you have so much talent and skill, put it to use making original music and stand on your own two feet.

You're argument makes very little sense. You're mad at music producers because they are not musician? Are you made at orchestra conductors because they don't play the violin or trombone? It's not stealing if you give credit for it.

And comedians take jokes from one another all the time.

 

[Smile Gang]

at you idiots trying to come up with analogies to sampling. it's not just like stealing a comedians jokes

so tell me this all you "play your own shyt" elistists - if someone does a cover song (or an album FULL of covers which has happenned lots of times) then that's just as bad or worse than sampling is it not? all these bands that use the same 3 chords in every damn song, use the same chord progressions, take ideas from a classic band or album. how is that original?

Just like stealing a comedian's jokes really. A peer in a supposedly "creative" endeavor steals the work of a peer attempting to integrate it into his act and pass it off as his own. That's low.

A cover song is a transparent tribute. Not analogous to sampling.

Using the same chords, if those chords are a core part of your sound, is not problematic to me. It's also not analagous to sampling.

Taking ideas from a classic band or album, that can be cheesy too depending on the extent to which it's done.

But let's not act like it's never criticized. For example, people on this site make fun of "Soldier Tsung" for biting the styles of everyone from 2 Chainz, to Future and on and on. All Soulja is doing is writing/rapping these people's styles. Yet, these same people give 9th Wonder and Timbaland credit for literally jacking the actual music of other artists.

Soulja Boy trying to sound like people in his own words and melodies>>>>>>>>>>> Sample happy producers stealing music verbatim

That's backwards than fukk mayne...

 

[spliz]

Just like stealing a comedian's jokes really. A peer in a supposedly "creative" endeavor steals the work of a peer attempting to integrate it into his act and pass it off as his own. That's low.

A cover song is a transparent tribute. Not analogous to sampling.

Using the same chords, if those chords are a core part of your sound, is not problematic to me. It's also not analagous to sampling.

Taking ideas from a classic band or album, that can be cheesy too depending on the extent to which it's done.

But let's not act like it's never criticized. For example, people on this site make fun of "Soldier Tsung" for biting the styles of everyone from 2 Chainz, to Future and on and on. All Soulja is doing is writing/rapping these people's styles. Yet, these same people give 9th Wonder and Timbaland credit for literally jacking the actual music of other artists.

Soulja Boy trying to sound like people in his own words and melodies>>>>>>>>>>> Sample happy producers stealing music verbatim

That's backwards than fukk mayne...

Ur analogys fukkin suck g....stop it...

 

[Smile Gang]

Why the fukk does nikkas who dont respect the culture even fukk wit it in the first place?..I dont get it...sampling is a BIG part of hip hop production...if u cant appreciate that than how could u appreciate the music?..its fukkin stupid...

I never said I don't appreciate all hip-hop.

I don't appreciate the fakers in the sample game.

Sampling isn't a "BIG" part of what every producer does.

That's like saying: Taking HGH is a BIG part of baseball. Why the fukk does nikkas who don't respect players taking HGH even fukk wit baseball in the first place. If you can't appreciate HGH than how could u appreciate baseball."

 

[Tom Foolery]

yo there was some dudes he sampled from belgium that one track from nelly fertudo

whats messed up with timb is that dude doesn't credit his samples, there is also a smug air about him in every picture that I just don't like.

That's my only prob. with Tim. He doesn't credit his shyt. I know he doesn't want to give his sources, but it makes you look bad in the end.

He also jacked the Ayo Technology melody too.

 

[Smile Gang]

You're argument makes very little sense. You're mad at music producers because they are not musician? Are you made at orchestra conductors because they don't play the violin or trombone? It's not stealing if you give credit for it.

And comedians take jokes from one another all the time.

You said it yourself "music producers" who are not "musicians."

Orchestra conductors don't call themselves violin players. They call themselves conductors. They give credit and that's legit as you said.

However, some of these "music producers" are really just "Drum and Baby Cry over Looped Melody Artists" then they should call themselves "Drum and Baby Cry over Looped Melody Artists" and stop calling themselves "music producers. They also rarely give credit. They try to steal shyt from France and Iran and hope nobody notices.

That's completely different.