Dirk’s 1 ring>>> KD’s 2 rings...Facts or nah?

[Professor Emeritus]

He wasn’t even that great in the finals. That was a collective effort. The Mavs all stepped up in big moments. He mos def didn’t outplay Wade.

Wade was the best player on the court during that finals

That's a stretch. The Mavs played a zone defense in which they weighted the defense towards LeBron, switched his defender as often as possible to keep giving him different looks, closed off all of his driving and passing lanes, and dared him to shoot while doing all they could to keep him from creating shots for others. In order to do that, they kept Wade on an island, allowing him to score in isolation so long as he didn't get others going. It's very similar to the strategy that the Celtics used in 2011 and 2012 too - let Wade get his points while working to control LeBron and keep him from getting others involved. The fact that Wade scored well in the series didn't make him the best player, it was a product of what the defense chose to allow.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And even with ALL that the Warriors would've won the series.

No, Draymond didn't kick anybody in the balls to get suspended.

Lebron PURPOSELY put his nuts on Draymond's head and Draymond reacted by flicking his arm in LeBron's direction and got suspended on a play that virtually EVERYONE agreed was bullshyt.

Then the referees stole game 6 away from Golden State with nothing but bullshyt calls in the 2nd half.

They purposely extended the series to 7 games.

Now. Cleveland FAIRLY won game 7 but it would've never been a 7 game series without the bullshyt suspension and the referees bullshyt.

Yeah, LeBron goaded Draymond into making a stupid error. That's gamesmanship. You don't get ejected from a game for stepping over another player:

You know why Lue didn't get a flagrant foul there? Because Lue didn't commit flagrant fouls.

You know why Draymond got suspended? For three OBVIOUS flagrant fouls. He tackled Beasley to the court with 1 second left in the game, he kicked Adams right in the nuts, and he struck LeBron in the nuts. Those are all flagrant, that got him up to 4 flagrant foul points (cause the Adams hit was a 2), and that got him suspended.

Where did you get "virtually everyone" agreeing that was bullshyt? Virtually everyone in San Francisco and Kobeland? Outside of that, most people were saying that Draymond obviously deserved to be suspended now that he had committed his 3rd flagrant foul of the playoffs.

They did not get "destroyed". They only lost by like 15

They had a chance to win that game going into the 4th quarter.

That's why you had all the conspiracy theories circling after the game and Ayesha Curry tweeting that the game was rigged after Steph was ejected.

She wasn't the only one.

Literally your only actual evidence in that whole comment was "but Ayesha Curry tweeted that the game was rigged!"

Please, when Steph fouled out the Cavs were up 12 with the ball and a J.R. Smith three immediately put them up 15 with 4 minutes to go. LeBron was scoring at will and Steph had only been 2-7 with a turnover over the last 12+ minutes of the game. Steph had already played 35 minutes on the night and was a -10 in that time. Plus the Warriors shot damn near as many fts (29) as the Cavs did (32).

If the NBA is "rigged", then who decided the Warriors would win 3 of the last 4 titles?

Damn near every controversial ending in the Warriors/Cavs matchups has gone against the Cavs. LeBron driving to the hole at the end of regulation and not getting the call in Game 2 in 2015. LeBron getting repeatedly mauled by Durant on Christmas Day and not getting any calls at all. The reversed call against Durant for a totally bs reason in Game 1 of 2018. All of those would be way more obvious opportunities to "rig" a game than what happened in 2016, and they all went in favor of the Warriors.

 

[Knicksgarbageforever]

That's a stretch. The Mavs played a zone defense in which they weighted the defense towards LeBron, switched his defender as often as possible to keep giving him different looks, closed off all of his driving and passing lanes, and dared him to shoot while doing all they could to keep him from creating shots for others. In order to do that, they kept Wade on an island, allowing him to score in isolation so long as he didn't get others going. It's very similar to the strategy that the Celtics used in 2011 and 2012 too - let Wade get his points while working to control LeBron and keep him from getting others involved. The fact that Wade scored well in the series didn't make him the best player, it was a product of what the defense chose to allow.

Most of those switches left smaller defenders like Kidd and terry on Bron. He should of taken advantage of that. It’s not “ok” that the greatest player in the world had low quality performances because defenses focused on him, That sounds dumb and when you consider Lebron has previously played on teams, and scored on teams where he was the only one worth focusing on defensively, it makes little sense and sounds like a cop out. Bron should of found a way around that. He played pitiful and wade was the best player on that squad regardless of anything. There’s a million and one reasons why players have bad series and some have good. That’s not unique to Lebron. Durant plays better than steph sometimes when the defense allows him to too.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Most of those switches left smaller defenders like Kidd and terry on Bron. He should of taken advantage of that. It’s not “ok” that the greatest player in the world had low quality performances because defenses focused on him, That sounds dumb and when you consider Lebron has previously played on teams, and scored on teams where he was the only one worth focusing on defensively, it makes little sense and sounds like a cop out. Bron should of found a way around that. He played pitiful and wade was the best player on that squad regardless of anything. There’s a million and one reasons why players have bad series and some have good. That’s not unique to Lebron. Durant plays better than steph sometimes when the defense allows him to too.

Kidd is a good defender, and it wasn't like he was on an island against LeBron. Just look what defenders like Kidd and Terry did to Kobe in the previous series, and Kobe is only a couple inches shorter than LeBron. Yes, LeBron is bigger than them, but he couldn't bully them because the Mavs kept collapsing on him every time he went inside and they had soon-to-be DPOY Tyson Chandler anchoring things in the middle. And they never left Kidd/Terry on LeBron for long enough for him to get comfortable and start exploiting them, they always got Marion back on him (or occasionally Stevenson).

Should LeBron have played better? Yes. But the Mavs played the perfect game plan to take away his strengths, then psych him out mentally and confuse him about what to do. LeBron got better - in the next two years he destroyed the Celtics from the post in a must-win Game 6, then destroyed the Spurs from outside in a must-win Game 7. But in 2011 he didn't have the post game or the outside game yet to do that. I also think that he was psychologically psyching himself out with the expectations to win, backlash from The Decision, etc. That's not to excuse his play, just to explain it.

I agree that Wade played the best of anyone on the Heat in that series, I just don't think he did anything special. He took what the defense gave him. If Wade really balled out in that series, he could have taken control, averaged a lot more than just 26ppg and done more to get the other guys going (think of how people criticize LeBron for only averaging 28ppg in 2014, and that was against Kawhi and Duncan). Heat could have won Game 2 if Wade doesn't completely disappear over the last 7 minutes when the Heat had a 15-point lead. Heat could have won Game 4 if Wade doesn't disappear again over the last 7 minutes when the Heat had a 5-point lead. Wade had the chances, and he couldn't get the Heat over the hump either.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Kidd is a good defender, and it wasn't like he was on an island against LeBron. Just look what defenders like Kidd and Terry did to Kobe in the previous series, and Kobe is only a couple inches shorter than LeBron. Yes, LeBron is bigger than them, but he couldn't bully them because the Mavs kept collapsing on him every time he went inside and they had soon-to-be DPOY Tyson Chandler anchoring things in the middle. And they never left Kidd/Terry on LeBron for long enough for him to get comfortable and start exploiting them, they always got Marion back on him (or occasionally Stevenson).

Should LeBron have played better? Yes. But the Mavs played the perfect game plan to take away his strengths, then psych him out mentally and confuse him about what to do. LeBron got better - in the next two years he destroyed the Celtics from the post in a must-win Game 6, then destroyed the Spurs from outside in a must-win Game 7. But in 2011 he didn't have the post game or the outside game yet to do that. I also think that he was psychologically psyching himself out with the expectations to win, backlash from The Decision, etc. That's not to excuse his play, just to explain it.

I agree that Wade played the best of anyone on the Heat in that series, I just don't think he did anything special. He took what the defense gave him. If Wade really balled out in that series, he could have taken control, averaged a lot more than just 26ppg and done more to get the other guys going (think of how people criticize LeBron for only averaging 28ppg in 2014, and that was against Kawhi and Duncan). Heat could have won Game 2 if Wade doesn't completely disappear over the last 7 minutes when the Heat had a 15-point lead. Heat could have won Game 4 if Wade doesn't disappear again over the last 7 minutes when the Heat had a 5-point lead. Wade had the chances, and he couldn't get the Heat over the hump either.

Pitiful

 

[Knicksgarbageforever]

Kidd is a good defender, and it wasn't like he was on an island against LeBron. Just look what defenders like Kidd and Terry did to Kobe in the previous series, and Kobe is only a couple inches shorter than LeBron. Yes, LeBron is bigger than them, but he couldn't bully them because the Mavs kept collapsing on him every time he went inside and they had soon-to-be DPOY Tyson Chandler anchoring things in the middle. And they never left Kidd/Terry on LeBron for long enough for him to get comfortable and start exploiting them, they always got Marion back on him (or occasionally Stevenson).


Should LeBron have played better? Yes. But the Mavs played the perfect game plan to take away his strengths, then psych him out mentally and confuse him about what to do. LeBron got better - in the next two years he destroyed the Celtics from the post in a must-win Game 6, then destroyed the Spurs from outside in a must-win Game 7. But in 2011 he didn't have the post game or the outside game yet to do that. I also think that he was psychologically psyching himself out with the expectations to win, backlash from The Decision, etc. That's not to excuse his play, just to explain it.


I agree that Wade played the best of anyone on the Heat in that series, I just don't think he did anything special. He took what the defense gave him. If Wade really balled out in that series, he could have taken control, averaged a lot more than just 26ppg and done more to get the other guys going (think of how people criticize LeBron for only averaging 28ppg in 2014, and that was against Kawhi and Duncan). Heat could have won Game 2 if Wade doesn't completely disappear over the last 7 minutes when the Heat had a 15-point lead. Heat could have won Game 4 if Wade doesn't disappear again over the last 7 minutes when the Heat had a 5-point lead. Wade had the chances, and he couldn't get the Heat over the hump either.

Old Jason Kidd guarding the 2nd or 3rd greatest basketball player of all time in his prime? That mismatch should of been money 85% of the time. Kobe was old, bad ankle, and wasn’t half the player Lebron is, you have pointed this out plenty of times when arguing with kobe stans so don’t try to sneak Kobe name in there to make Lebron look better, not to mention Kobe shooting terrible that series anyway. There were more than a few plays Kidd/Terry would be on bron, and he didn’t play up to par. This is a cop out and a worse excuse then kobe stans explaining game 7 aganist Boston, and I actually like both of them. He played bad. Dwyane Wade averaged 26 ppg 7rebounds, 5 assists, 1.5 each on steals and blocks on 50% and better. Those are exceptional numbers for someone playing with 2 all stars. Wade couldn’t get it done by himself when he’s the main scorer on the team. Lebron scores a total of 8 points in Game 4. Wtf was Wade suppose to do? Let me repeat, LeBron James, scored a total of 8 points that game 4, yet you blaming Wade? In game 2, wade was the leading scorer and Passer for the Heat, yet you blame him when Lebron was 0-4 with a turnover and only 2 free throws in the 4th quarter of game 2? He was 0-2 with under a minute and 30 left in the game? Breh, this is The dankster right? I’ve seen you on here for years. If this was Kobe and his stans talking this bullshyt, you would literally have a field day. Stop bullshytting in the defense of Lebron. Mavs played great defense, we know that. Pistons played great defense in 04 and Boston did in 08, but I think everybody including you knows Kobe had terrible series against both and you have been quick to point this out before. Don’t change your energy cause Lebron is now the subject of bad play.

 

[Xerces]

No one will respect any ring KD gets with the Warriors

He joined a 73 win team he chocked a 3-1 lead against

I respect Kd's rings


League takeover in full effect

 

[steph_harden]

That's a stretch. The Mavs played a zone defense in which they weighted the defense towards LeBron, switched his defender as often as possible to keep giving him different looks, closed off all of his driving and passing lanes, and dared him to shoot while doing all they could to keep him from creating shots for others. In order to do that, they kept Wade on an island, allowing him to score in isolation so long as he didn't get others going. It's very similar to the strategy that the Celtics used in 2011 and 2012 too - let Wade get his points while working to control LeBron and keep him from getting others involved. The fact that Wade scored well in the series didn't make him the best player, it was a product of what the defense chose to allow.

The Mavs didn’t “allow” Wade anything he shredded their D. Got anywhere he wanted and scored at an extremely efficient rate.

Not even mentioning that he was also their best playmaker and perimeter defender during that series and you’ll realize that was a ridiculous assertion by yourself

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Old Jason Kidd guarding the 2nd or 3rd greatest basketball player of all time in his prime? That mismatch should of been money 85% of the time. Kobe was old, bad ankle, and wasn’t half the player Lebron is, you have pointed this out plenty of times when arguing with kobe stans so don’t try to sneak Kobe name in there to make Lebron look better, not to mention Kobe shooting terrible that series anyway. There were more than a few plays Kidd/Terry would be on bron, and he didn’t play up to par. This is a cop out and a worse excuse then kobe stans explaining game 7 aganist Boston, and I actually like both of them. He played bad. Dwyane Wade averaged 26 ppg 7rebounds, 5 assists, 1.5 each on steals and blocks on 50% and better. Those are exceptional numbers for someone playing with 2 all stars. Wade couldn’t get it done by himself when he’s the main scorer on the team. Lebron scores a total of 8 points in Game 4. Wtf was Wade suppose to do? Let me repeat, LeBron James, scored a total of 8 points that game 4, yet you blaming Wade? In game 2, wade was the leading scorer and Passer for the Heat, yet you blame him when Lebron was 0-4 with a turnover and only 2 free throws in the 4th quarter of game 2? He was 0-2 with under a minute and 30 left in the game? Breh, this is The dankster right? I’ve seen you on here for years. If this was Kobe and his stans talking this bullshyt, you would literally have a field day. Stop bullshytting in the defense of Lebron. Mavs played great defense, we know that. Pistons played great defense in 04 and Boston did in 08, but I think everybody including you knows Kobe had terrible series against both and you have been quick to point this out before. Don’t change your energy cause Lebron is now the subject of bad play.

I didn't defend LeBron. I said that Wade was the best player for the Heat in that series. I said that LeBron should have played better. I said that LeBron got psyched out mentally by the Mavs. I said that LeBron showed he wasn't as good a player as he would later become, because he didn't have the post game or outside game he needed to defeat their scheme.

If you were paying attention, you'd see that the original comparison was Wade vs. Dirk. I said that Wade wasn't the best player in the series to someone who said that Wade played better than Dirk did. I was pointing out why what Wade did wasn't as impressive as what Dirk did considering the situation. What was Wade supposed to do? Average more than 26ppg when he saw that LeBron wasn't getting it done. Get the other players on the team going. Make his threes. Score in the final 7 minutes of Game 2 or Game 4 instead of just going 0-4 on threes and not even attempting a two for a 7-minute period in the clutch in both games..

The Mavs didn’t “allow” Wade anything he shredded their D. Got anywhere he wanted and scored at an extremely efficient rate.

Not even mentioning that he was also their best playmaker and perimeter defender during that series and you’ll realize that was a ridiculous assertion by yourself

If Wade could get anything he wanted, then why not score more than 26/game in a series where the Heat desperately needed his scoring? Why not score in the final 7 minutes of Game 2 when the Heat offense was dying ? Why not score in the final 7 minutes of Game 4 when the game was tight and the Mavs were in danger of taking over the series?

Notice that in the last 7 minutes of Game 2, Wade only shot 0-3 and they were all threes. In fact, Wade didn't attempt a two-point shot in the final 10 minutes of that game. Same thing happened in Game 4 - after LeBron found Wade inside with 7:24 left, Wade only went 0-1 (missing a three) for the next 7 minutes until finally going inside again with 30 seconds left in the game.

Wade got where the Mavs defense was letting him go. The Mavs knew they couldn't shut down Wade and LeBron all game. Just like Boston would do in several series, they let Wade get his while working to shut down LeBron's passing lanes and inside drives, knowing that if LeBron got going the whole team would get going. If Wade was really so dominant, he would have averaged more than 26ppg and been able to get inside when it counted in the two games where they most needed it.

Dirk was the best player in that series. He did what needed to be done for his team to win, and made the biggest plays when his team needed him to make them.

 

[75 Others]

shyt was funny for a spell but this is ridiculous

I guess Chauncey's 1 >>> KDs 2 also

2011 Finals is more of LBJ's choking than Dirk killing it, let's keep this 100

 

[Ashyneezz]

shyt was funny for a spell but this is ridiculous

I guess Chauncey's 1 >>> KDs 2 also

The 2011 Finals is more of LBJ's choking than Dirk killing it, let's keep this 100

That's probably true but The biggest story for most of the playoffs was Dirk's dominance and his clutch play. The win in the finals was just the icing on the cake

 

[75 Others]

That's probably true but The biggest story for most of the playoffs was Dirk's dominance and his clutch play. The win in the finals was just the icing on the cake

That Dallas team was much bigger than Dirk, I don't know how the narrative all of a sudden was that he just destroyed folks all of a sudden. That whole Dallas team was built for a champ run, he just happen to be the best player on it.

DWades run in '06 was much and far more dominant

Like I said, 2011 was more of LBJ choking than the Mavs winning, Dirk didn't beat James at his best, and KD did, 2x years in a row

 

[sidenikkagawd]

No one acknowledges Dirk's ring outside of using it to discredit Bron's career.

KD rings will be more impactful just based off of how terrible he's made Media Puppets look (similar to Bron's rings in Miami).

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

And even with ALL that the Warriors would've won the series.

No, Draymond didn't kick anybody in the balls to get suspended.

Lebron PURPOSELY put his nuts on Draymond's head and Draymond reacted by flicking his arm in LeBron's direction and got suspended on a play that virtually EVERYONE agreed was bullshyt.

Then the referees stole game 6 away from Golden State with nothing but bullshyt calls in the 2nd half.

They purposely extended the series to 7 games.

Now. Cleveland FAIRLY won game 7 but it would've never been a 7 game series without the bullshyt suspension and the referees bullshyt.

Warriors have zero championships without nearly constant help from officials

fukk outta here

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

They did not get "destroyed". They only lost by like 15

They had a chance to win that game going into the 4th quarter.

That's why you had all the conspiracy theories circling after the game and Ayesha Curry tweeting that the game was rigged after Steph was ejected.

She wasn't the only one.

Yeah cause shes a goofy sore loser birdbrain that cant handle a proper ass whooping, like her husband throwing his disgusting mouthpiece in the crowd.

fukk outta here.