Diversity or Excellence? New York City’s liberals are outraged by the success of Asian-American kids
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DrBanneker
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Umm...60% of anything homeogenous puts a limit on diversity. Almost all those 60% are Asian...by this logic any school with majority minority representation is diverse. An 80% Black school isn't diverse either?
Secure Da Bag
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My question is why doesn't NYC just build more magnet schools that are not in Manhattan? NYC brehs can enlighten?
There are specialized schools in the Bronx and Brooklyn too.
To the point of the thread...I don't mind the entrance exam. I do mind that Black kids aren't getting the education to have a shot at the slots for these schools, though.
And cheating. I mind the cheating.Secure Da Bag
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Cool. But obviously they should build more. Why can't they? Is there an argument for why they shouldn't?
Just my guess, but maybe those schools are expensive to run per student also building more results in weaker "specialized schools".
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Clearly, not all the academically gifted students who are black and brown are being serviced with a quality education. Or even the opportunity to receive one. Personally, I don't think building more would create "weaker specialized schools". But the expense could be a factor.
Koichos
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The district's push for an adjusted criteria will, in all likelihood, lessen the competition for Asian students as merit-based admissions loses its stronghold. Nevertheless, the situation is a double-edged sword: Suppose that one-fourth of the student body is in fact reserved for those who are in the bottom quartile; this would put a substantial dent in the admittance rate of several thousand highly adept students who will now lose out to their academic subordinates. Given the circumstances, the parents' pandemonium seems warranted. It's not as if these are your everyday American public schools; these are the crème de la crème of institutions that are highly sought-after by gifted parents from around the country. Ultimately, I foresee such implementations to be quite damaging to the district's reputation.Now the ASIAN's are mad they gotta compete against more black and brown kids on their way into these schools...
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Wargames
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Don't ask me how but I have a suspicion this will only lead to a lot more white kids in these school and a handful more black/brown kids
Let's all remember that Asians don't test any better than any other demographic. The only difference is they come here more affluent and upper and middle class children score better. When you adjust for economics, they score just like everyone else.
This is one case where I will disagree with folks here.
School is about education and if a school wants to use how well someone has learned material through testing (which I agree is not a perfect measure but the best we got) then I see nothing wrong with that. Unless you can prove that underrepresentation is due to targeted discrimination then you simply need to do better and step your game up.
No doubt cheating is abundant among some foreign students. But at the same time, there is also a large percentage that just work harder than the average student. On my college campus, I see a lot of these foreign students spending all day on campus and in the library studying way into the evening and there have been times I've gone to the library during winter breaks and holidays and they will be there.
If you put in the work without cheating and got rewarded by being able to attend this school then it is what it is. I personally wouldn't want to get into such a program because of a quota. It minimizes the hard work that I did put in by not judging me on my work but instead on the color of my skin .
If Asians are overrepresented and it's purely based on merit, well step your game up and see what they are doing and try to match up .
School is about education and if a school wants to use how well someone has learned material through testing (which I agree is not a perfect measure but the best we got) then I see nothing wrong with that. Unless you can prove that underrepresentation is due to targeted discrimination then you simply need to do better and step your game up.
No doubt cheating is abundant among some foreign students. But at the same time, there is also a large percentage that just work harder than the average student. On my college campus, I see a lot of these foreign students spending all day on campus and in the library studying way into the evening and there have been times I've gone to the library during winter breaks and holidays and they will be there.
If you put in the work without cheating and got rewarded by being able to attend this school then it is what it is. I personally wouldn't want to get into such a program because of a quota. It minimizes the hard work that I did put in by not judging me on my work but instead on the color of my skin .
If Asians are overrepresented and it's purely based on merit, well step your game up and see what they are doing and try to match up .
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ogc163
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Do you have a link supporting this argument?