DMX Was Definitely Telling The Truth About Jay-Z. Irv Gotti Confirms How Def Jam,

[mobbinfms]

2001 is really where Jay began explode nationally.

He was number one for 5 weeks and did 5 million. How is that not exploding nationally?

 

[mobbinfms]

but subpar albums

Reasonable Doubt was that shyt though...

 

[jadillac]

He was number one for 5 weeks and did 5 million. How is that not exploding nationally?

he sold 5 million(if that's correct) based on those singles. There was no iTunes at that time, and that was also a time where they kinda stopped selling CD singles. So you had to buy albums.

My point stands. DMX's albums in 98 >>>>>>> Jay Z albums in 98 & 99

 

[jadillac]

Reasonable Doubt was that shyt though...

No argument here.

I think we all agree on that.

 

[DontEemTry]

Brooklyn not London bro

Yeah, my bad, haven't listened to that joint in years. Then Beans came through and obliterated what was left of that beat.

 

[mobbinfms]

You're on crack.

The numbers speak loudly. Jay had a party song in "Can I Get A" and a crossover hit with "HNL".

DMX dropped 3 platinum albums in less than 2 years. Give X his shine. He had a nice run that at his peak was bigger than Jay a the time.

And Juvenile was indeed more impactful than Jay. Jay jumped on Juvies song....not the other way around.

and the HNL Vol 2 album was cheeks outside of the two singles I mentioned, and "Money, Cash..."

Song for song it can't compete with 400 Degreez

The bolded was actually your original point. X never had a number one album for 5 straight weeks. That's some Eminem & N'Sync type stuff.
None of X's albums ever sold as much as Vol 2
Now, of course, that's just the numbers...you could argue X was "hotter" than Jay at his peak...and it would definitely be plausible. When was his peak though? When he was opening up for Jay on tour?

he sold 5 million(if that's correct) based on those singles. There was no iTunes at that time, and that was also a time where they kinda stopped selling CD singles. So you had to buy albums.

My point stands. DMX's albums in 98 >>>>>>> Jay Z albums in 98 & 99

That's just your opinion. Unless you have some type of receipt to support that.
Plus - I agree with you that CD singles weren't really a thing anymore around that time, but that would have applied to X as well
IDAHIH >>>> Vol 2 & 3
Vol 2 & 3 >>>> FOMFBOMB

 

[jadillac]

Plus - I agree with you that CD singles weren't really a thing anymore around that time, but that would have applied to X as well

X never really had any hit singles back then. People were mor or less vibing off his entire albums.

"Get at Me Dog" video was semi-banned on MTV at one point. Ruff Ryders anthem wasn't a hit.

MAtter of fact, I don't think he had a single crack the top 40 on Billboard. And he still sold millions of albums. I wonder if that's ever been done before.

And the catchiest song with Faith wasn't even the version that was on the album.



FOMFBOMF - that album pretty much sold simply off the strength of the first album. "Slippin" didn't even crack Billlboard 100. X didn't need hit singles. And that's what was amazing.

 

[mobbinfms]

X never really had any hit singles back then.

Jay was somewhat similar. Just going off the billboard charts. X definitely had less hit singles and his biggest songs didn't do what you thought they would have.
In any event, I don't fully trust the Billboard charts as I feel they don't match with what I remember as being reality. And sometimes they are illogical. For example, Can I Get A peaked at number 22 on the Hot Rap singles chart, but 19 on the Hot 100. That don't make any sense at all.
Ruff Ryder Anthem was #94 on the Hot 100...but didn't chart on the Hot Rap Singles chart. That don't make any sense.

X had two top 40 hits - Get at Me Dog and Party Up In Here.

Jay had 5 over 98-2000.
Can I Get A
Hard Knock
Jigga My
Big Pimping
I Just Wanna Love You.

DMX discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jay Z discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[RedBull]

breh, but NONE of that happened until around late 2000, into 2001. 2001 is really where Jay began explode nationally. That's when the Roc movement really became a movement. Cam, Jay, Dame, etc.

Before that he was putting out dope singles, but subpar albums. Go back and listen to HL2 and 3. They're awful production-wise, outside of the hit singles. And THAT is why I say 400 Degreez is better. It's still hot today.

That was in response to him saying that Jay was never the best out., had nothing to do with your post. Keep it in context.

 

[YaBishh]

X > Jay still to this day

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

98, 99, early 00 belonged to DMX. In fact Juvenile in 98-99 was hotter than Jay.

'98 was really master p.

but yea, that era as a whole goes to dmx.

The Roc was a movement but, Jay was never the best rapper.

You see how Drake is clearly running this rap shyt right now even if you don't like him.

Jay never had that kinda popularity. He always just had longevity. He was just good for a long, long time.

It's artists like DMX, Ja, Nelly and 50 Cent who were absolute superstars. But they came and went.

X was like that. Him crossing over into movies for a little bit only shows how big he was.

drake isnt running chit.

being the best rapper and being the biggest commercial rapper arent the same.
being the guy thats running rap and being the rapper that has mainstream america on lock are not the same.
its rare to have both of these titles held simultaneously by the same people.

this is why rap is dead now and yall let them folks take this chit over - which is the only reason why drake exists in the 1st place.

drake, jarule & nelly were never running rap. never even in contention.

as far as jay-z goes, he may not have ever been thee man on the commercial end, but from late '00 thru 2002, he was definitely running rap.

bro Irv is just a guy salty because he lost.
There are a lot of stories about Jay being a "user" because he's the one that won in all of this.

Salty dudes are always going to be down to tell a story about the one that won.

youre too caught up in smoke-n-mirrors breh.

at some point you have to realize that all these stories are similar as f*ck. its not just people throwing out random tales of bitterness.

and you dont even have to listen to these stories. you can just sit back & analyze his career, and come to the same conclusion about what type of dude he is.

irv gotti isnt making any type of declaration here breh.

Snake just like master p

how is master p a snake?

i never heard of him screwing over his peoples.

he sold 5 million(if that's correct) based on those singles. There was no iTunes at that time, and that was also a time where they kinda stopped selling CD singles. So you had to buy albums.

My point stands. DMX's albums in 98 >>>>>>> Jay Z albums in 98 & 99

dog. forget an itunes.

jay-z back then was the most bootlegged rapper of all-time.

Stop.

Hard Knock Life in 98>>Anything Juve did in his career.
When was the Hard Knock tour? Who was on the Hard Knock tour? Who headlined thr Hard Knock tour? Who's album was the tour named after? Those years belonged to Jay and X. If anything it was Jay who had the edge overall, even though X dropped platty twice in a yea .

400 degreez >>> any jay-z album not named reasonable doubt

i see that this post is probably what started that 400 degreez/volume 2 thread.

 

[SouthSac916]

How?

A lot guys that have made it to the top are snakes. He never possessed true talent so he had to scheme on nikkas to get to his position. He sucked the roc dry. It's small business but this business happens to be an art form. Jay will always be admired for his achievements. When we look back history his image is definitely tarnished.

 

[SouthSac916]

how is master p a snake?

i never heard of him screwing over his peoples.

1. He claimed Richmond/the Bay Area and never put any of them on his label. He became popular by stealing from Bay Area artist: 2pac and the Luniz
2. The real Pimp C incident was just exposed. P step to pimps mom is fd up way

I forgot the rest. I wrote that two weeks ago.....it was some other shady shyt he did. I post when it comes back to me.

 

[Pimp]

1. He claimed Richmond/the Bay Area and never put any of them on his label. He became popular by stealing from Bay Area artist: 2pac and the Luniz
2. The real Pimp C incident was just exposed. P step to pimps mom is fd up way

I forgot the rest. I wrote that two weeks ago.....it was some other shady shyt he did. I post when it comes back to me.

Master p became popular from being himself. He fell off when he started to sound like pac. He was actually better when he first started.

 

[SouthSac916]

Master p became popular from being himself. He fell off when he started to sound like pac. He was actually better when he first started.

Naw, bruh

P was in the bay when he popped off. He ain't want to put nobody from the Rich on whe got famous. He wasn't allowed back for a while. Everybody look at it differently. Where are you from?