Do Athletes Have To Become Social Activists?

SadimirPutin

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Yes...

The idea that you can just turn off the other parts of your humanity is amusing....

Because those very same athletes would want fan support and certainly support off the members of their race/ethnicty if things went sideways in their own life.....

Maybe you could get away with being the silent docile athlete who just shows up and collects checks in the past but that era is sharply coming to an end..

Oh and by the way these athletes have to go through their next CBA

You better believe jealousy and coded racial animus is ALWAYS used to try and sway public sentiment to the owners side...

So keep thinking being a church mouse gonna keep you happy and paid and in your bubble forever
 

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At some point things need to change for black folk. If anything, this entire National Anthem/kneeling fiasco is exposing to black people that we need our OWN shyt.

Look around, who owns these teams. Why can't we have our own shyt? We have before.

I've seen more black people discussing starting our own leagues since this KAEP thing then ever before. Who knows what will transpire in the upcoming generations due to what one man sparked.

All I'm saying is that its extremely important for atleast a few "conscious" individuals with large platforms to speak out on social issues. Be it athletes, rappers, actors or whoever.

And besides, they can connect with the youth in a more powerful way than a congressman can. I get what you are saying but both are needed.

Not sure how ANY black person can look at the fallout with this Kaep situation and say that its not important for our brightest and most visible stars to speak out.
That's the issue again - people talking about owning teams :dead: people don't even want to own the laundromats in their own communities. Cart ain't seen the horse in years.

The entire framing of this discussion is toxic, and it seeps into all sorts of topics that are aimed towards us losing in the long run from the start. "Why don't these players go to HBCUs" "Is that person even black?" "Why are these guys so scared of taking a stand?"

All of these very, very common topics are divisive, intentionally, and its some of the most prevalent talk you'll see.

Both aren't needed at all. The past two presidents have made that painfully clear especially because they were each elected off of explicitly populist campaigns. Whether its a kid rocking a Hope/Change shirt up in Chicago or some little white dikkbag wearing a MAGA hat, influence can be very, very real and base from the political side. Very direct.

Kaep isn't our best or brightest, one of our boldest and most passionate sure. I respect the hell out of him. These idiots in his wake? No. People didn't even talk about police abuse of authority for the offseason - they talked about if he would fukking play again. People are too fukking dumb to be led through sports/entertainment mediums to real progress
 

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No. because its obvious that 99% of these athletes won't put action behind the activism. And even when many do reach out, its on some forced NBA Cares shyt that they are pretty much required to do. Now I know a few have community initiatives and foundations, but the overwhelming majority aren't about that life. and these dudes don't have to be because their job is to be a damn athlete. the reality comes into play when they, their friends/family or children deal with some harsh realities of society that can't be alleviated by money or affiliation to someone with money/fame.

These dudes need to learn how be on code. they're in a minority when it comes to their skill/access to things but can't forget that outside out maybe 20-30 guys in all sports combined, the average person wouldn't recognize them or give a shyt what they do for a living. so they are subjected to the SAME social hardships that a non-athlete could ultimately face
And this is even more of what pisses me off.

Yal have no idea how many of these guys run nonstop outreach or community projects out their own pockets but because they don't throw up a hashtag as fast as you want, answer "do black lives matter" exactly like you want, or kneel on Sunday they become pacifist, self-hating cancers to black people everywhere? Some internet activist really tried to start up a petition to make LBJ sit out of a game for Tamir Rice like he ain't been putting in hundreds of millions of dollars back into the community through infrastructure, youth programs, scholarships, and direct participation.

But because he don't tweet something, he's a piece of shyt.

Same thing for hundreds of players. Its fukking ridiculous how misdirected this is.
 

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All this shyt for Kaep and people can't even remember his message clearly. His own biggest supporters. Why'd they get swayed and manipulated so easily? Because this isn't their battleground. They never prepared for this to the point of near irresponsibility.

Kaep ain't running for office. Who is? That's who matters. People want to plug the latest anti-trump freestyle, retweet who said what after kneeling, but they literally don't even have a favorite black active congressmen nor the perception in place to recognize one.

fukk these rappers too tbh. Their entire livelihood is created and supported by consumption. They're entertainers - and the fact that people seem to ONLY look to these guys is indicative of a much bigger issue. These aren't the only role models out there. No reason to treat them like they are. Protect and coddle them like could or should be.
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How many of y'all are activists yourselves? :patrice:

How many of the brothers you hang out with are activists? I really don't think people understand what an activist is.

I have a friend/co worker who is one and it's a second full time job. He's traveling all the time to attend rallies, giving speeches, organizing protests, etc. He was at Ferguson and damn near every major protest and had to use vacation time and his own money to go. The time and effort he puts into it astounding. I've helped out and worked with him and his organization but the level of sacrifice it takes was too much for me. Very few people have that drive and dedication to be out there leading.

Instead of asking athletes to be activists it would be better to get them to use their resources to create businesses or support the individuals who can lead. We should expect them to be socially conscious but not activists.
 

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ill just say, martin luther king was not a pro athlete.

you all looking around for some athlete or entertainer to spark a change like YOU can't do it yourself. if you're so passionate about this, why are you looking to others ? maybe you're not a leader...fine. well thats the same thing for athletes. they don't want to be the voice of the people. they arent cut out for that, and thats fine. people need to get off their back calling them uncle toms and c00ns that shyt is pathetic.
 

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No because in most cases they are the dumbest of a society the smartest of a society would be in sciences and the smartest of those will be hustling all of us out of our money

Creflo Dollar I'm talking about you nikka
 

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That's the issue again - people talking about owning teams :dead: people don't even want to own the laundromats in their own communities. Cart ain't seen the horse in years.

Going to have to respond to this post. You seem very dismissive of progress made or planning for the future of our community. The recent uptick of understanding that we have to own things and run things, not just hope for a job under someone else, is a positive step forward.

The entire framing of this discussion is toxic, and it seeps into all sorts of topics that are aimed towards us losing in the long run from the start. "Why don't these players go to HBCUs" "Is that person even black?" "Why are these guys so scared of taking a stand?"

All of these very, very common topics are divisive, intentionally, and its some of the most prevalent talk you'll see.

Standing up against anything isn't going to be easy or simple. It's going to be difficult and messy. Throwing your hands up in defeat when the path becomes unsure isn't how progress is made. There will be internal strife, but there is a general understanding of what the goal is.

Both aren't needed at all. The past two presidents have made that painfully clear especially because they were each elected off of explicitly populist campaigns. Whether its a kid rocking a Hope/Change shirt up in Chicago or some little white dikkbag wearing a MAGA hat, influence can be very, very real and base from the political side. Very direct.

You're creating a pretty terrible false equivalence here. Comparing Obama and Trump? Trump ran a blatantly bigoted campaign and everyone knows it. His supporters could care less about his "populist" policies as long as he appears to be taking aim at minorities. No deep comparison between the men or their supporters.

Kaep isn't our best or brightest, one of our boldest and most passionate sure. I respect the hell out of him. These idiots in his wake? No. People didn't even talk about police abuse of authority for the offseason - they talked about if he would fukking play again. People are too fukking dumb to be led through sports/entertainment mediums to real progress

Your claims that all the other NFL players are in Kap's wake are idiots and that sports can't be a conduit for the political good are baseless. History is full of examples of the latter and you know that.

And as for the OP's question. No, they don't have to be, but it would be better if they were during times like this.
 
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Going to have to respond to this post. You seem very dismissive of progress made or planning for the future of our community. The recent uptick of understanding that we have to own things and run things, not just hope for a job under someone else, is a positive step forward.



Standing up against anything isn't going to be easy or simple. It's going to be difficult and messy. Throwing your hands up in defeat when the path becomes unsure isn't how progress is made. There will be internal strife, but there is a general understanding of what the goal is.



You're creating a pretty terrible false equivalence here. Comparing Obama and Trump? Trump ran a blatantly bigoted campaign and everyone knows it. His supporters could care less about his "populist" policies as long as he appears to be taking aim at minorities. No deep comparison between the men or their supporters.



Your claims that all the other NFL players are in Kap's wake are idiots and that sports can't be a conduit for the political good are baseless. History is full of examples of the latter and you know that.

And as for the OP's question. No, they don't have to be, but it would be better if they were during times like this.
I appreciate a good discussion, but I'll be blunt and say that you're speaking in platitudes. Not only that, you're being outright dismissive of my initial point where I communicated the fact that these guys have not spent their lives dedicated to the institutions that govern and direct our world. They don't hail from educational backgrounds of politics, civil science/engineering, economics, technology, social work, etc - they throw balls far. The real false equivalence is when you compare the athletes to those. That's not to say that all athletes are trash. Not at all. Kareem, for example, was an exceptional symbol for all. But note that these are exceptions to the rule, not the standard.

I'm not being dismissive, I'm in the belief that true trust and faith in a community means that you can hold leaders and those that openly follow those leaders accountable. I don't think that's wrong either. If you say you care about the community, then you shouldn't be defensive when someone asks you to explain yourself, your cause, your process. That's something that many, many people can no longer fukking do when it comes to this Kaep situation specifically. When you have a goal and no plan, that's called hope. When you have no direction, you can't take a step forward.

Short version, motherfukkers are making it up as they go and want to get in their feelings when things like responsibility, purpose, and end-game get brought up again.

Also, what sense does it make to say "we could own the league" when show nowhere near the same give a fukk for basic infrastructure necessary to our communities? That is a PAINFUL misdirection to have to confront again and again and again. That's trapping yourself and everyone who falls in line with you in broken logic.

And no, I don't think you understand what I meant by populist. Populist policies isn't even a.... thing really. Obama's and Trump's campaigns both were 'new' in the sense that they gathered massive and hugely significant portions of their momentum from all forms of media, not just speeches and rallies. They made themselves likable or preferable in ways that had little to do with their actual policies. This momentum came from businesses, news agencies, schools, entertainment, etc. Responsible outreach directs those in your bubble towards the policy maker. Your influence over these people = votes. That influence is a commodity constantly in trade.

Who do these guys endorse? :ohhh: They don't fukking know because they never equipped themselves to play this game AND they have been conditioned to be dumb enough to consistently allow their influence to be reconfigured into whatever someone else wants. You guys literally saw the owners jack Kaep's own movement quick. It was easy. It was easy because these guys are out of their depth.

Lastly, this "we're making a difference by trying hard" shyt is lazy, irresponsible, and straight up cheap. And if you spend time looking for an athlete's take over a real difference maker's then you're lost. You got brehs really out here trying to change the world and shyt but hold up lemme listen to see these dudes on ESPN gonna say next.
 

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No because in most cases they are the dumbest of a society the smartest of a society would be in sciences and the smartest of those will be hustling all of us out of our money

Creflo Dollar I'm talking about you nikka




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Or can they just play their sport and earn a living.


Is a black athlete a c00n if he just shows up to work and go home?




What's yall opinion?


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Na do what you do but don't you dare open your mothafukkin mouth in opposition to nikkax on that mission

If you need a place to stay cool my nikka but don't keep the lights excessively like you paying bills around here
 
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