Do Black Americans have it easier than Caribbean Blacks?

[Naijan]

Fall back?
AAs called him out on NOT being AA once he showed that he didn't possess an AA consciousness.
Which i place the blame for that on my people for letting non AAs pass. We have to be more tribal, if you will.
Slavesi notice when ever africans bring up AAs they absolutely LOVE to throw that slave word around.
I know he isnt of AA ancestry and it shows, trust.
Regardless of his genetic makeup, is his success NOT due to the support of the AA community?
Hell they even had Biracials and Africans rallying for McCain.
Im talking about the Black immigrants who commit crimes here in the U.S.
You KNOW that whenever an immigrant child gets to acting up either in school or the streets they are accused of imitating American kids aka AAs.
Just as the majority of crime in NYC Florida and equal parts African/ AAs in DC but is blamed on AAs even though AAs are a minority in those states.
When their respective countries have high crime rates.
I said thuggery, not fraud.
Several Nigerians & Caribbeans have been HEAVY in the drug ring.

Wasn't working in Chicago inner cities before becoming the president, married an AA wife and go to a black church? And for the slave word AAs were the one who said he didn't have slave ancestry, so he wasn't one of them. Well AAs make up the majority when it comes to blacks in this country so maybe that's why.

 

[kayslay]

Wasn't working in Chicago inner cities before becoming the president, married an AA wife and go to a black church? And for the slave word AAs were the one who said he didn't have slave ancestry, so he wasn't one of them.

That's my point, AA community leaders showed him the ropes and introduced him to the right people in politics here in Chicago.
Michelle was the biggest asset he has ever had. She was making at least 2x if not 3x what he made prior to his presidency, she legitimized him, & gave him a family.
Oprah gave him a HUGE endorsements on her show and got her peers fund alot of his earlier campaigns.
His Kenyan side didnt even claim him. His white side either outside his grandparents.
There were no Africans supporting him at the beginning of his career, neither were whites or BiRacials.

 

[lenfantdelacapitale]

That's my point, AA community leaders showed him the ropes and introduced him to the right people in politics here in Chicago.
Michelle was the biggest asset he has ever had. She was making at least 2x if not 3x what he made prior to his presidency, she legitimized him, & gave him a family.
Oprah gave him a HUGE endorsements on her show and got her peers fund alot of his earlier campaigns.
His Kenyan side didnt even claim him. His white side either outside his grandparents.
There were no Africans supporting him at the beginning of his career, neither were whites or BiRacials.

Listen these debates of Africans vs. AAs are pointless. Both sides have an unfavorable perspective and opinion of each other. I have been around both circles for the majority of my life, I have dated and almost married both types of woman. Both have valid points on why they think each side should be doing more for its position in the world and society. There is not enough of an African population (whether immigrant, first generation American) in the US to support Obama and a lot of Africans have a migration pattern to capitals that's why you find them heavy in DC, London and Paris. Obama got his support from Chicago and I doubt there are a lot of Africans there. In addition, African immigrants and first-generation tend to be more engaged with what is going back in their home country or the political situation there. As far as the condescension, it cuts both ways I have plenty of examples growing up but I am not going to get into that.

 

[kayslay]

Listen these debates of Africans vs. AAs are pointless. Both sides have an unfavorable perspective and opinion of each other. I have been around both circles for the majority of my life, I have dated and almost married both types of woman. Both have valid points on why they think each side should be doing more for its position in the world and society. There is not enough of an African population (whether immigrant, first generation American) in the US to support Obama and a lot of Africans have a migration pattern to capitals that's why you find them heavy in DC, London and Paris. Obama got his support from Chicago and I doubt there are a lot of Africans there. In addition, African immigrants and first-generation tend to be more engaged with what is going back in their home country or the political situation there. As far as the condescension, it cuts both ways I have plenty of examples growing up but I am not going to get into that.

Im well aware of that.
My point has always been that NON -AAs think they have a RIGHT to the fruits of AA labor.
Condescendaton doesnt go both ways because we dont move to other peoples land, attend their institution, and act with an air* of superiority. Then have no respect to those that sacrificed for us to enjoy such luxuries.
So no, it doesnt go both ways.

 

[lenfantdelacapitale]

Im well aware of that.
My point has always been that NON -AAs think they have a RIGHT to the fruits of AA labor.
Condescendaton doesnt go both ways because we dont move to other peoples land, attend their institution, and act with an superiority. Then have no respect to those that sacrificed for us to enjoy such luxuries.
So no, it doesnt go both ways.

NON-AAs as a matter of fact Non-Americans in general don't think they have the RIGHT they earn their way into those institutions (if you are talking about schools) that's why you see quite a large immigrant population whether it be from Asia or any other part of the world outperform American citizens in math and sciences and therefore their overwhelming representation into institutions of higher education. If they didn't have the grade, work ethic etc... they would not have the PRIVILEGE to attend these institutions.

 

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[kayslay]

NON-AAs as a matter of fact Non-Americans in general don't think they have the RIGHT they earn their way into those institutions (if you are talking about schools) that's why you see quite a large immigrant population whether it be from Asia or any other part of the world outperform American citizens in math and sciences and therefore their overwhelming representation into institutions of higher education. If they didn't have the grade, work ethic etc... they would not have the PRIVILEGE to attend these institutions.

Let me guess youre African?
if thats the case they should be labeled spots for the academically advanced and not spots for AAs, no?
if they arent AA they shouldnt be labeled AA.
should AAs be able to attend Carribean and African schools in spots designated for academically advanced Caribbeans/Africans?

should AAs receive scholarships intended for african immigrants?
or is it only ok when the spots for AAs are taken?

 

[kayslay]

NON-AAs as a matter of fact Non-Americans in general don't think they have the RIGHT they earn their way into those institutions (if you are talking about schools) that's why you see quite a large immigrant population whether it be from Asia or any other part of the world outperform American citizens in math and sciences and therefore their overwhelming representation into institutions of higher education. If they didn't have the grade, work ethic etc... they would not have the PRIVILEGE to attend these institutions.

Asians& Africans arent comparable in this instance.
Asian kids aren't being admitted to schools in place of white american as Africans are being admitted in place of NATIVE AAs.

 

[lenfantdelacapitale]

Asians& Africans arent comparable in this instance.
Asian kids aren't being admitted to schools in place of white american as Africans are being admitted in place of NATIVE AAs.

Your original post was that AAs could not be condescending because Africans feel that they have the RIGHT to attend institutions and that policy in these institutions in terms of admission was influenced by the struggle and lack of black American representation in those institutions. Correct? I agree with that portion. They don't think they have the RIGHT because in order for you to be even in a position where an institution can admit you you have to work hard you have to earn that opportunity you have to create your own luck. You don't get that right because your parents or you came from a developing country. THat's why your argument of it being a right is not good. Rights are granted (even granted is the wrong choice of words) to you by just being who you are not because you have to earn it. Being condescending sometimes does not have to do with institutions it's just feeling superior to other people so it cuts across both ways since that's the case.

 

[kayslay]

Your original post was that AAs could not be condescending because Africans feel that they have the RIGHT to attend institutions and that policy in these institutions in terms of admission was influenced by the struggle and lack of black American representation in those institutions. Correct? I agree with that portion. They don't think they have the RIGHT because in order for you to be even in a position where an institution can admit you you have to work hard you have to earn that opportunity you have to create your own luck. You don't get that right because your parents or you came from a developing country. THat's why your argument of it being a right is not good. Rights are granted (even granted is the wrong choice of words) to you by just being who you are not because you have to earn it. Being condescending sometimes does not have to do with institutions it's just feeling superior to other people so it cuts across both ways since that's the case.

i wasnt speaking about Academic Institutions initially, you brung it up and i responded. As for rights, just Black immigrants seem to feel they have a RIGHT to opportunities designated for AAs.
Bringing up GPA is another example of Black immigrants entitlements. Having a high GPA should'nt get you admittance based on a model designated for AAs, simple. Africans should fight against other immigrants for spots not NATIVE BAs.

 

[lenfantdelacapitale]

i wasnt speaking about Academic Institutions initially, you brung it up and i responded. As for rights, just Black immigrants seem to feel they have a RIGHT to opportunities designated for AAs.
Bringing up GPA is another example of Black immigrants entitlements. Having a high GPA should'nt get you admittance based on a model designated for AAs, simple. Africans should fight against other immigrants for spots not NATIVE BAs.

The child of immigrants born in the US? What categories do they fall into? Natives or non-natives? What other institutions do immigrants feel like they have a right to?

 

[kayslay]

Your original post was that AAs could not be condescending because Africans feel that they have the RIGHT to attend institutions and that policy in these institutions in terms of admission was influenced by the struggle and lack of black American representation in those institutions. Correct? I agree with that portion. They don't think they have the RIGHT because in order for you to be even in a position where an institution can admit you you have to work hard you have to earn that opportunity you have to create your own luck. You don't get that right because your parents or you came from a developing country. THat's why your argument of it being a right is not good. Rights are granted (even granted is the wrong choice of words) to you by just being who you are not because you have to earn it. Being condescending sometimes does not have to do with institutions it's just feeling superior to other people so it cuts across both ways since that's the case.

NO it doesnt when you have African teachers at HBCUs of all places, berating and failing Black American students just because he could.
tell me when on a macro level AAs exclude or sabotage Black immigrants success.
and you have Adult Africans still holding HS grudges about the being called a booty scatcher while there are CURRENTLY all up and down twitter calling AAs akatas& every other derogatory name they could think of.
but thats ok right?

 

[lenfantdelacapitale]

What the hell is akata?

 

[kayslay]

The child of immigrants born in the US? What categories do they fall into? Natives or non-natives? What other institutions do immigrants feel like they have a right to?

is NOT AA.
you are Nigerian American.
should Asians get to claim to be Native Americans?
just as when you make sure everyone knows you aren't AA, make sure you tell everyone before they send you to school in place of an ACTUAL AA.

 

[kayslay]

What the hell is akata?

derogatory word meaning slave/ slave descendant.