The Wall Is Undefeated!
Superstar
Finally, somebody gets it.
Do incels struggle with women because they see them as sex objects?
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maybe for you. My female friends don't usually have advice for me.Lots to unpack here.
1.) You gotta distinguish between an actual incel vs. a man just venting. That’s the problem with movements. You get a lotta stragglers who come thru that aren’t really related to the core and people start associating the posers with the real deal.
Real incels probably are on the spectrum and/or suffering from CRIPPLING social anxiety that makes them fear rejection from women. That fear of women and their social skills deficits makes it difficult for them to interact with humans PERIOD, much less women. And here’s the deal. Most of the manly manosphere advice isn’t going to help them. It’ll make them feel good to see women taken down a peg. It’ll tell em to get in shape and get money. But they’ll still be socially awkward, cringe-worthy individuals that come off weird. Just with a six-pack and a six-figure income. And there are plenty of millionaires that are still incels, getting pockets ran, lonely…ect.
Meanwhile, there are other groups of disgruntled males who tagged along on the incel/red pill nonsense. Not because they are socially awkward. But because they have anxiety about their place in the world as men in current society and women have always been a convenient scapegoat for male insecurities. This is where you get the “alt-right, conservatism, if we just went back to the old days where we could force chicks to deal with us” types. Their anxieties about women are directly tied to our messed up economy and fears of inadequacy. What people aren’t speaking about in their hyper-focus on female accountability is where men are mentally in current society. A lot of men are taking on the mantle of misogynistic ideas about women out of their own insecurities. Why? Because economically, many male-centered jobs that previous generations could work and sustain a family on are becoming obsolete…or bogged down in a tremendous amount of red tape/certification processes/excessive educational requirements. And if you do get these jobs, the workloads are increased, the pensions/pay/benefits have been decreased. So you might work your entire life only to die with nothing if you aren’t smart. And a lot of men don’t want to engage in that demoralizing rat race. Can you blame them? Not unless it’s for a chick they ABSOLUTELY desire more than anything. And even then, if she isn’t dang near perfect, it’s still a hard sell. And it’s an even harder in the age of perfectly bleached buttholes they see in porn that many consume more than they interact with actual women.
Now while this is happening to men, women who traditionally had even fewer opportunities, are now striking out on their own. So even the worse opportunities that men might scoff at (being a teacher), are looked at by women as a come up because they view anything as being better than the potential drudgery of cooking/cleaning/barefoot/pregnant. (Potential because a lot of this is in women’s heads but that’s another topic.)
So with women on the relative rise (they still ain’t making nothing
) and male roles being diminished, a lot of men feel lost. Purposeless. Depressed. Inadequate.
This is why a lot of chicks will hear guys tell us “you outta my league” or “why you got so many degrees” or “why are you with me”. Other men won’t admit they feel like that. Instead they’ll try to tear down women’s self-esteem. “Dem degrees don’t mean nothing.” “You gon hit a wall after 25.” “You a single mom past the age of 30. Might as well commit that.”
Some of these types lash out and their target is women (instead of the economy and the dudes in power they should be taking to task). So they focus on minutae like girls being picky on dating sites (even tho there aren’t even a lot of chicks on those sites in the first place and those that are there don’t even take them seriously half the time.) Or they vent or become disrespectful. Listen to gay men online. Ect.
But the solutions aren’t there.
Instead, they should cultivate a sense of self outside of chasing p*ssy and materialism. Take the energy they waste listening to hours of garbage online and put it into an investment in themselves. Learn to get over their Madonna/Whore complexes and heal their core issues so they don’t have to view women as objects from deficit mindsets or put them on pedestals, and live in dysfunction due to that worldview. Instead they are marinating in resentment that their physical features don’t allow them the same ability to smut out Taylor Rooks like an Idris Elba could. And this is a distraction.
We as a society also need to work on moderating our inflexible adherence to traditional gender roles because this is hurting men and women as well. This doesn’t mean that men can’t be men and women can’t be women. It means that we need to understand that humans are far too complex to be easily shoved into these narrow constraints. Men are emotional. Women can be ice-cold in their rationality when it comes to plotting on something they want. Men do have feelings and get hurt. Women can be strong without it being masculine. Men need love too. Women need respect as well. Chicks can be just as violent and creepy and toxic as men can be. And so on.
In emphasizing women’s empowerment, we can’t just hit the
at men. Part of equality is meeting someone halfway. Women will need to moderate their hypocritical stance on enjoying good traditional male traits and be willing to pitch in economically and stop operating from a victimization mindset. Men will need to learn to check their egos and get used to relationships as real partnerships instead of opportunities to treat other human beings with vaginas like live-in sexual objects that cook, clean, take care of kids and look the other way when new p*ssy comes by.
But, I doubt these ideas will take root because they aren’t as fun or satisfying as simply blaming chicks or watching DL twinks in tailored suits humiliate chicks in hopes of getting women to lower their already non-existent standards.
Accountability rarely is.
1.) You gotta distinguish between an actual incel vs. a man just venting. That’s the problem with movements. You get a lotta stragglers who come thru that aren’t really related to the core and people start associating the posers with the real deal.
Real incels probably are on the spectrum and/or suffering from CRIPPLING social anxiety that makes them fear rejection from women. That fear of women and their social skills deficits makes it difficult for them to interact with humans PERIOD, much less women. And here’s the deal. Most of the manly manosphere advice isn’t going to help them. It’ll make them feel good to see women taken down a peg. It’ll tell em to get in shape and get money. But they’ll still be socially awkward, cringe-worthy individuals that come off weird. Just with a six-pack and a six-figure income. And there are plenty of millionaires that are still incels, getting pockets ran, lonely…ect.
Meanwhile, there are other groups of disgruntled males who tagged along on the incel/red pill nonsense. Not because they are socially awkward. But because they have anxiety about their place in the world as men in current society and women have always been a convenient scapegoat for male insecurities. This is where you get the “alt-right, conservatism, if we just went back to the old days where we could force chicks to deal with us” types. Their anxieties about women are directly tied to our messed up economy and fears of inadequacy. What people aren’t speaking about in their hyper-focus on female accountability is where men are mentally in current society. A lot of men are taking on the mantle of misogynistic ideas about women out of their own insecurities. Why? Because economically, many male-centered jobs that previous generations could work and sustain a family on are becoming obsolete…or bogged down in a tremendous amount of red tape/certification processes/excessive educational requirements. And if you do get these jobs, the workloads are increased, the pensions/pay/benefits have been decreased. So you might work your entire life only to die with nothing if you aren’t smart. And a lot of men don’t want to engage in that demoralizing rat race. Can you blame them? Not unless it’s for a chick they ABSOLUTELY desire more than anything. And even then, if she isn’t dang near perfect, it’s still a hard sell. And it’s an even harder in the age of perfectly bleached buttholes they see in porn that many consume more than they interact with actual women.
Now while this is happening to men, women who traditionally had even fewer opportunities, are now striking out on their own. So even the worse opportunities that men might scoff at (being a teacher), are looked at by women as a come up because they view anything as being better than the potential drudgery of cooking/cleaning/barefoot/pregnant. (Potential because a lot of this is in women’s heads but that’s another topic.)
So with women on the relative rise (they still ain’t making nothing
) and male roles being diminished, a lot of men feel lost. Purposeless. Depressed. Inadequate.This is why a lot of chicks will hear guys tell us “you outta my league” or “why you got so many degrees” or “why are you with me”. Other men won’t admit they feel like that. Instead they’ll try to tear down women’s self-esteem. “Dem degrees don’t mean nothing.” “You gon hit a wall after 25.” “You a single mom past the age of 30. Might as well commit that.”
Some of these types lash out and their target is women (instead of the economy and the dudes in power they should be taking to task). So they focus on minutae like girls being picky on dating sites (even tho there aren’t even a lot of chicks on those sites in the first place and those that are there don’t even take them seriously half the time.) Or they vent or become disrespectful. Listen to gay men online. Ect.
But the solutions aren’t there.
Instead, they should cultivate a sense of self outside of chasing p*ssy and materialism. Take the energy they waste listening to hours of garbage online and put it into an investment in themselves. Learn to get over their Madonna/Whore complexes and heal their core issues so they don’t have to view women as objects from deficit mindsets or put them on pedestals, and live in dysfunction due to that worldview. Instead they are marinating in resentment that their physical features don’t allow them the same ability to smut out Taylor Rooks like an Idris Elba could. And this is a distraction.
We as a society also need to work on moderating our inflexible adherence to traditional gender roles because this is hurting men and women as well. This doesn’t mean that men can’t be men and women can’t be women. It means that we need to understand that humans are far too complex to be easily shoved into these narrow constraints. Men are emotional. Women can be ice-cold in their rationality when it comes to plotting on something they want. Men do have feelings and get hurt. Women can be strong without it being masculine. Men need love too. Women need respect as well. Chicks can be just as violent and creepy and toxic as men can be. And so on.
In emphasizing women’s empowerment, we can’t just hit the
at men. Part of equality is meeting someone halfway. Women will need to moderate their hypocritical stance on enjoying good traditional male traits and be willing to pitch in economically and stop operating from a victimization mindset. Men will need to learn to check their egos and get used to relationships as real partnerships instead of opportunities to treat other human beings with vaginas like live-in sexual objects that cook, clean, take care of kids and look the other way when new p*ssy comes by.But, I doubt these ideas will take root because they aren’t as fun or satisfying as simply blaming chicks or watching DL twinks in tailored suits humiliate chicks in hopes of getting women to lower their already non-existent standards.
Accountability rarely is.
Mandarin Duck
Majestic and Highfalutin
Which is why what he's saying is not the reason men can't get sex.Ironically the men who get the most sex see women as sex objects
I'm not saying all men do but there's a category of man that get p*ssy and that don't, but objectify women.
Krisrunner2049
Pretty boi CFO Squirrels Burgers KillaKwuads
Call me an incel then
felt bad for it in hs, but i never seen a bytch and went “my golly I wanna take her onna date, hold her hand, and kiss her on the cheek under the stars”. fukk nikka federation…assemble!
felt bad for it in hs, but i never seen a bytch and went “my golly I wanna take her onna date, hold her hand, and kiss her on the cheek under the stars”. fukk nikka federation…assemble!
It’s deeper than that. And like everything words are just thrown around for an easy insult. They are called incels for a reason. If they just viewed women as sex objects they would pay hookers and call it a day. But they have an extreme since if narcissistic and delusion. It’s the mindset that says any women that they want should be attainable just because they deem it so. They shouldn’t have to pay, put in any work socially , nothing. And any reason not has to do with the overall society around them and not the fact the are mentally ill psychos
Scustin Bieburr
Baby baybee baybee UUUGH
Health care. You have a publicly accessible counselor for these young men and doctors to assess for learning disabilities etc. You'll see a dramatic improvement in them.
Hacksaw Jim Thuggin
Superstar
most men look at women as sex objects....
what man is looking at a woman as a potential 'friend'? someone to be a buddy with? we are wired this way.....she's sexy or she's not
i have never in my life looked at a woman thats not related to me in a non-sexual way.....meaning she's either someone i find attractive or she's not
what man is looking at a woman as a potential 'friend'? someone to be a buddy with? we are wired this way.....she's sexy or she's not
i have never in my life looked at a woman thats not related to me in a non-sexual way.....meaning she's either someone i find attractive or she's not
The Wall Is Undefeated!
Superstar
Exactly. Western society loves to shyt on the approved fall guy. The easy mark, that makes us (and especially your typical western feminazi) feel righteous and superior when we tear into them.
The problem with this is that it's easy to punch down. This in turn makes society in general meaner, nastier and more importantly, dumber. There has been a dumbing down of society and I think punching down on the 'incel' archetype is partially to blame. Nobody grows taking on easy targets or doing things that aren't a challenge.
This is one of the reasons I rarely use the term incel. I don't want to be polluted by modern day foolishness.
I agree.
OnlyOneBoss
Superstar
No disrespect breh but I never understood this
Like, how did paid performers on a screen change how you viewed random women in the grocery store?
I really do mean no disrespect to you breh
it’s just that I hear this talking point a lot, and even when I used to watch porn sometimes 7+ times a day I never got like that I’ll admit I was way hornier than usual but that just led to more sex fr
Mike the Executioner
What went on up there? Poppers and weird sex!
Aren't incels good at negging (reverse psychology)? They should use that to their advantage.
Bugs Bunny invented it, but incels are perfecting it.
Bugs Bunny invented it, but incels are perfecting it.
Json
Superstar
No.
You’re conflating people who have trouble with the opposite sex with incels(which has become a catch-all term)
Incels aren’t hedge fund managers or own their own restaurants. They don’t put in the energy required for those types of advancements.
Incels start as self esteem issue. It’s not about how they think about women, it’s about how much effort they think it’s required. They don’t believe they should have to make an effort, that the women they want should just want them. The frustration extends from the gap of reality and what is in their mind.
Uh ohCall me an incel then
I don't get the whole porn addicted incel thing.No disrespect breh but I never understood this
Like, how did paid performers on a screen change how you viewed random women in the grocery store?
I really do mean no disrespect to you breh
I’ll admit I was way hornier than usual but that just led to more sex fr
If anything it's dudes who smashing on a constant basis are the ones who are addicted to porn
Straw Hat Luffy
Veteran
Only accurate answer.
I don't even agree with incels having a lot of friends either. Maybe 2 or 3 tops.
But incels are socially awkward af.
And it's more than just being unattractive.
Dudes have no drip.