Do Some Of You Really Want Homophobia Completely Out Of Hip Hop?

[Poitier]

Most articles written by them will always have some kind of a slant. The objective is to catch attention, gain readership, and hold attention. A lot of times they could care less about the group or the music, as long as they are credited with "discovering" or being "up on them" before it became popular. It helps them increase readership, and if they do have an ulterior agenda, then that's icing on the cake for them.

Nope, I know for certain some White critics view the whole gay rap thing as "teaching Hip Hop to be progressive and not bash queers"

Read a guy like Brandon Soderberg from Spin's articles or read any of the NYC rap articles on Pitchfork or Fader. The tone is definitely on some superior than Black rap artist and audience, who are regressive savages.

 

[mrken12]

Em isn't given passes. He had people that actually protested his music. The reason why he's still successful is because he has a loyal fan base and a machine behind him. There's more white people that don't like Eminem or could care less who he is than there are actual fans of his.

And his career didn't miss a step afterwards. The album that got protested made it to Diamond.

I have yet to meet a white person who hates Eminem. I don't mean someone who is indifferent but someone who legitimately doesn't like him.

 

[Insensitive]

That is already here. Look @ the 90s babies.

@ you

On topic :
Homophobia isn't really prevalent in Hip Hop as it is now.
The word "fakkit" may get used, or in a
battle rap it may be used as a way to humiliate or belittle
your opponent but in general it just isn't there in Hip Hop music.
I'd say fear and/or hatred of gay people is one thing
that isn't really a common topic in Hip Hop at all.

Nope, I know for certain some White critics view the whole gay rap thing as "teaching Hip Hop to be progressive and not bash queers"

Read a guy like Brandon Soderberg from Spin's articles or read any of the NYC rap articles on Pitchfork or Fader. The tone is definitely on some superior than Black rap artist and audience, who are regressive savages.

This is common in a lot of Alternative Hip Hop/Rap circles period.
Not just on "gay" topics but just about any topic.
Sometimes it even comes off as racist and is usually
laced with tons of generalizations about Hip Hop and Black Culture
in general.
I almost always feel some of these articles are big "White is right !" fests.

That is nothing wrong. At least you not mentally enslaved in the street life like the 70s and 80s babies that glorified that shyt. My generation went through the superthug phase and it cost us dearly in the long run. At least the 90s babies accept suburban black folks as equals and not as sell outs.

Honestly I think you make some of the most bizarre Love/Hate relationship posts
in regards to Hip Hop (or maybe just black culture in general...) on this board.
It really comes off that you have this sort of disgust with contemporary Black Culture
and Hip Hop in general.
Which is fine if you feel that way but it's something I've noticed.

With that said I think the 70's/80's and even 90's
and whatever happened in them are the direct result
of the culture of the time. These things that you're saying were
glorified aren't things that appeared out of thin air.
They were inspired by the circumstances that people were
living in or around. I think these sorts of comments come from the ignorance
of the severity of these issues that still plague American ghetto's.

I don't think the absurdity you're talking about really appeared until the 2000's
where it got past the point of being defensible to full on nonsense (which still
produced some good music....)

Em isn't given passes. He had people that actually protested his music. The reason why he's still successful is because he has a loyal fan base and a machine behind him. There's more white people that don't like Eminem or could care less who he is than there are actual fans of his.

Eminem is given a ton of passes.
Whether it's violent content or drug use.
This is all conveniently overlooked when he's compared
to his black peers.
You'll hear some sh1t like "such and such rapper
talked about killing this person, or selling this or
that amount of drugs" while Eminem has whole songs
dedicated to taking hard drugs or whole records
dedicated to rape and murder.

It leaves me because this sh1t isn't just a
small part of his discography or some obscure
unknown tracks, it's actually a sizable chunk
of his output.

 

[Wild self]

@ you

On topic :
Homophobia isn't really prevalent in Hip Hop as it is now.
The word "fakkit" may get used, or in a
battle rap it may be used as a way to humiliate or belittle
your opponent but in general it just isn't there in Hip Hop music.
I'd say fear and/or hatred of gay people is one thing
that isn't really a common topic in Hip Hop at all.

That is nothing wrong. At least you not mentally enslaved in the street life like the 70s and 80s babies that glorified that shyt. My generation went through the superthug phase and it cost us dearly in the long run. At least the 90s babies accept suburban black folks as equals and not as sell outs.

 

[WEKetchum]

theres been a concerted effort atleast the last 5yrs to push the gay agenda hard. from hip-hop to tv to movies to even in our schools!!!!!!!(basically every avenue where they can brainwash THE YOUTH) i disagree with it and thats my right to. i just dont understand why homos want starit peoples approval so bad

if your able to preach and push the gay agenda you should be able to speak against it as well

thats the beauty of america and free speech. and thoses who are the most "liberal"(gay supporters) ironically want to strip away 1st amendment rights of frre speech to those who oppose their agenda

hypocritical ehhh

News flash: heterosexuality is never going to be completely taken over by homosexuality. Ever. And homosexuals (and others in the LGBT community) have been discriminated against so much, and for so long, that all "pushing the agenda" is going to do is show that people in that community deserve equal rights. The LGBT community (lesbian/gay/bi/trans) don't ask for anything that heterosexuals don't already have. They aren't even asking that heterosexuals like them. They usually (from what I've seen, anyway) just ask for the same rights that everyone else has, and the freedom to not be discriminated against because of their sexuality.

That said, people can speak against it however they want. Freedom of speech is being able to say whatever you want without being arrested or being penalized by the government. People who are against "the homosexual agenda" can still do these things, and they'll always be able to. Basically, the rule of rights is that you can punch as far as you can, as hard as you can, until the other person's nose is within that fist. Using slurs on your own time is fine; calling someone that who doesn't want to be called that is different. Spraying "f*ck f*gs" in graffiti on your own wall? Fine. Spraying it on someone else's wall who doesn't approve it? Crime.

 

[NotaPAWG]

Em isn't given passes. He had people that actually protested his music. The reason why he's still successful is because he has a loyal fan base and a machine behind him. There's more white people that don't like Eminem or could care less who he is than there are actual fans of his.

Nah man this is not true.

 

[MINT]

na

 

[SunZoo]

I don't want anything completely out of anything. I want reality, and the reality is gays have existed in hip hop (and in life) from the begining. There is no need to continue to pretend like they somehow don't exist.

Homophobia is idiodic...but so are people, it exists in the society so it exists in the music, but as society changes hip hop should keep it real with itself. I wouldn't expect nikkas in the 80's to go and address shyt like this in the time period. If you look at hip hop as an actual entity it's gone and is still going through a growth/maturation process. Getting over your heebie jeebies about the "others" is shyt that adults do, it's time.

I do miss rappers callin each other fakkits....I don't think that has anything to do with the music bein soft though...I miss the anti cac/establishment rhetoric even more....I feel like all this blending and exchange of ideas has caused us to lose too much of our culture...next 10 years we won't have our own identity....we will just be louder,darker,more athletic versions of white people....but no culture of our own....but I guess it was bound to happen eventually

Hiphop will end up being the most influential tool in racial harmony/understanding and race relations in america....but it will probaly go uncredited,cacs will think their CNN specials did the trick,and Jesse Jackson and reverand Al will take a bow....but we will know

Real shyt, especially the bold.

Hip hop on the low has brought generations of people together at 20x the speed than it would have happened without hip hop. I would hope that this is truly the lasting legacy of hip hop as a culture and how much of a bridge it acted between different groups of people and mindsets in order to find common ground.

As for the word, it all comes back to context for me. fakkit is one of my favorite words, yet I don't know how many times I've actually called someone a fakkit and was really accusing them of being a cock sucker. That was rarely, if ever the case.

The special interest groups have their right to react however they feel, but I think even on some level they understand context, it's more so of an issue of the people who DON'T and how they can be influenced in their ignorance.

At the end of the day everybody should be able to say what the fukk they want, and feel how the fukk they want to feel about what others say.

SUpport for homosexuality is support for the feminization of man and to support such a thing in this culture is disgusting and deserves ur hip hop card being revoked

Says the drake fan.

Somewhere, in america, there is a homosexual that is probably 99.9% less of a p*ssy than he is.

We are having debates over shyt like "don't ask don't tell" so that homosexuals can go fight and die for their country while you literally praise this man for acting like an actual bytch .

shyt has absolutely nothing to do with feminization, it has to do with the fact that as we PROGRESS (key word) as a society, the things that separate us will, and rightfully should become less of an issue. Racism is far from dead but we are less segregated partially due to hip hop culture and it's expansion. The influence goes beyond the mainstream presentation.

And this is probably the last real taboo...and being that homosexuals exist, everywhere, yes even in hip hop FROM THE JUMP, it's only right that hip hop has a hand in breaking down this barrier.

You talk all this bullshyt about how hip hop has moved away from the hood and ignorant gangsta rap in favor of something more true to the times where the drakes and the big seans are the rappers who set the tone for the demeanor of this generation of fans. If they are such a reflection of the changes in society from the last generation to now, easing up on teh ghei's is too.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Some dumb motherfukkers here, no-ones supporting homosexuality like "GO AND BE GAY", just saying don't hate and persecute them for shyt that's none of your business.

 

[JustCKing]

And his career didn't miss a step afterwards. The album that got protested made it to Diamond.

I have yet to meet a white person who hates Eminem. I don't mean someone who is indifferent but someone who legitimately doesn't like him.

They exist. Eminem angered and offended a lot of white people with his music. A lot of white parents didn't like Eminem.

 

[The Ruler 09]

SUpport for homosexuality is support for the feminization of man and to support such a thing in this culture is disgusting and deserves ur hip hop card being revoked

You sound like the biggest homosexual person on the board. You call another grown man "yung angel" and "papi". Papi is some shyt bytches call their man. Everything about you is feminine from your attitude to your taste in music to your "raps". You sound like you have a serious identity crisis going on and are possibly confused about your sexuality and yourself so you look for internet validation here and try to cover your femininity with excessive hate.

 

[mrken12]

They exist. Eminem angered and offended a lot of white people with his music. A lot of white parents didn't like Eminem.

Not counting parents.

 

[blackslash]

I don't want anything completely out of anything. I want reality, and the reality is gays have existed in hip hop (and in life) from the begining. There is no need to continue to pretend like they somehow don't exist.

Homophobia is idiodic...but so are people, it exists in the society so it exists in the music, but as society changes hip hop should keep it real with itself. I wouldn't expect nikkas in the 80's to go and address shyt like this in the time period. If you look at hip hop as an actual entity it's gone and is still going through a growth/maturation process. Getting over your heebie jeebies about the "others" is shyt that adults do, it's time.



Real shyt, especially the bold.

Hip hop on the low has brought generations of people together at 20x the speed than it would have happened without hip hop. I would hope that this is truly the lasting legacy of hip hop as a culture and how much of a bridge it acted between different groups of people and mindsets in order to find common ground.

As for the word, it all comes back to context for me. fakkit is one of my favorite words, yet I don't know how many times I've actually called someone a fakkit and was really accusing them of being a cock sucker. That was rarely, if ever the case.

The special interest groups have their right to react however they feel, but I think even on some level they understand context, it's more so of an issue of the people who DON'T and how they can be influenced in their ignorance.

At the end of the day everybody should be able to say what the fukk they want, and feel how the fukk they want to feel about what others say.



Says the drake fan.

Somewhere, in america, there is a homosexual that is probably 99.9% less of a p*ssy than he is.

We are having debates over shyt like "don't ask don't tell" so that homosexuals can go fight and die for their country while you literally praise this man for acting like an actual bytch .

shyt has absolutely nothing to do with feminization, it has to do with the fact that as we PROGRESS (key word) as a society, the things that separate us will, and rightfully should become less of an issue. Racism is far from dead but we are less segregated partially due to hip hop culture and it's expansion. The influence goes beyond the mainstream presentation.

And this is probably the last real taboo...and being that homosexuals exist, everywhere, yes even in hip hop FROM THE JUMP, it's only right that hip hop has a hand in breaking down this barrier.

You talk all this bullshyt about how hip hop has moved away from the hood and ignorant gangsta rap in favor of something more true to the times where the drakes and the big seans are the rappers who set the tone for the demeanor of this generation of fans. If they are such a reflection of the changes in society from the last generation to now, easing up on teh ghei's is too.

Feminization has alot to do with ur sexual behavior..

A gay man is is the closest thing to a literal "bytch nnikka"

Heres ur whole problem with ur whole rhetoric
There is nothing tangible for us to have any reason to equate the perverseness of homosexuality to our skin color or race
Its just an idea that has been pushed on us by mainstream media and we are all of a sudden supposed to accept this idea that being a homosexual is as ingrained in an individual from birth as is our race

There is no real proof of this except the account given by those who suffer from such desires

Ur coming at me from a position of "all is permitted"...when thats not hip hop

Like it or not fakkitS..are the epitome of feminized men
And for hip hop culture to embrace the feminization of the black man is disgusting when Hip Hop runs on the back of the strong black alpha male

Hip Hop reserves its right and as it should continue to shame fakkits and pedophiles and all those perverse lifestyles

 

[JustCKing]

Not counting parents.

Even aside from parents, there's white people that don't like Eminem for the reasons many people don't: his image and his content.

 

[blackslash]

You sound like the biggest homosexual person on the board. You call another grown man "yung angel" and "papi". Papi is some shyt bytches call their man. Everything about you is feminine from your attitude to your taste in music to your "raps". You sound like you have a serious identity crisis going on and are possibly confused about your sexuality and yourself so you look for internet validation here and try to cover your femininity with excessive hate.

Take my posts too seriously brehs