Do You Consider Rap a Subgenre of Hip Hop?

[Art Barr]

Rap is the industrial business economics wing of the cultural pillars of dj'n and emcee'n.

Hiphop is the culture rap is what you do.
Hiphop is not a genre, rap has genre and hiphopinfinity's is not one of them.
As hiphop is the culture that brought the industry of rap to the public.

In verbiage culturally, You are not hiphop the culture.
you are a bboy or bgirl whom is a part of the culture hiphop.
With a skill in a representative pillar.
Someone calling you a hiphopper or hiphop is a derogatory inflammatory term culturally.
In the culture of hiphop,...you are bboy or bgirl who is a dj, a breaker, an emcee, a Graf artist.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Hip hop is a culture. There are many facets within the culture rap music, b boying, spoken word, new jack swing, the style of dress and clothing. All diff art forms withing the main culture of hip hop.

New jack swing and spoken word were never part of hiphop.
You had former bboys who did spoken word who brought a culture based aesthetic to their venue and routine.
Yet that does not make it hiphop.
New jack swing was never a part of the hiphop culture or accepted as a culture commendable genre of rap.
To the point new jack swing was an immediate death to any rappers cultural draw including big daddy kane.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

It would be nice to have the other elements more prominent again.

Art houses killed their mainstream drawing ability dead in the late seventies to early eighties.

To the point no one remembers Alfonso Ribeiro as the coldest mainstream breaker on earth.
That he was such a top draw an entire tv show was made where he was the top draw and was himself as the character. Which was like a first for my gen and I believe culturally after leroy from fame.
was found to be possibly gay and flodge'n like a heterosexual breaker on fame.
That eventually the draw to break dancing was b*stardized by movie houses to the point of no return.


Art Barr

 

[Rekkapryde]

New jack swing and spoken word were never part of hiphop.
You had former bboys who did spoken word who brought a culture based aesthetic to their venue and routine.
Yet that does not make it hiphop.
New jack swing was never a part of the hiphop culture or accepted as a culture commendable genre of rap.
To the point new jack swing was an immediate death to any rappers cultural draw including big daddy kane.



Art Barr

Def think NJS was more rnb than anything. It may have had rap vibes, but I think that was just more of a black music thing period.

I can see the argument for it being birthed from hip hop. Not gonna grasp for straws, but again I associate NJS with RnB rather than Hip Hop

 

[Taadow]

The tricky part is the word "genre".

"Genre" is a classification of style of expression - mainly music, art, or literature.

You could argue that:

1. "Rap" is the "style of expression" of Hip-Hop; Rap is "hip-hop music", if you will.
OR...

2. "Hip-Hop" is all of the major styles of expression. A "rap" song is music, art, and literature all in one.
So in that sense, it doesn't really matter to split the classifications.
OR...

2b. Everything in "hip-hop" is about expression, from the music to the fashion and dance...so "rap"
is technically a "genre" of hip-hop. But I think it makes more sense to call it an "element".

3. It can't be, because "rap" existed before "hip-hop".


But I think that when we speak of "genres" in music, "rap" and "hip-hop" are generally viewed to be the same.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Def think NJS was more rnb than anything. It may have had rap vibes, but I think that was just more of a black music thing period.

I can see the argument for it being birthed from hip hop. Not gonna grasp for straws, but again I associate NJS with RnB rather than Hip Hop

NJS was clearly informed by HipHop musically and visually

 

[dubsmith_nz]

the other elements are still huge once you look at HipHop outside of music/top 40

Yup breaking/dance and graffiti/street art are huge - DJing as an actual art form probably gets the least commercial recognition (especially with all these wack ass EDM djs who can barely mix let alone scratch)