do you guys really think brock would beat taker in a real fight

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Also Brock is a prodigy as a WRESTLER who uses his strength as a huge, huge advantage. His MMA training (meaning jiu jitsu) wasn't all that vast.
I bet you think ol Stone Cold will just walk through Cain after drinking a six pack :bryan:


Nope, i'm pretty sure Cain molests most dudes under most circumstances. Because Cain is legit skilled in a ton of facets. Hand skills are nice, jiu jitsu is great, takedown defense/recovery made Brock look like a fool. He doesn't rely on his size and ability to overpower like Brock and he doesn't wilt under pressure like Brock does either.
 
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Dudes bring up Del Rio but he fought bums except for Cro Cop who KILLED him, he's basically Batista's level of an MMA background. You have to respect that he actually has one (unlike pro wrestlers who are marks for MMA, like little Philip) but you can't compare it to Brock.

Del Rio was paid by PRIDE to throw matches. Pretty big scandal im sure.
 

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I bet you think ol Stone Cold will just walk through Cain after drinking a six pack :bryan:

This dude might legit be crazy, talking about anyone with good takedown defense and good hands has a chance.

Do these nikkas know how many years of drilling it takes to have good takedown defense, let alone good enough to defend against an NCAA champ :bryan:
 

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LOL my deepest apologies, you're all pros in this shyt. My fault. I'm sorry, I guess size does not matter and isn't effective in preventing people from throwing you around no matter the skill. Cool. Brock is a prodigy but he doesn't defy physics, brehs. And he blows when he can't rely on being imposing. It's not a foregone conclusion. If he can move Big Show around with no problems he probably rapes him. But he's close to 500 fukking pounds. There's a chance he CAN'T. He can lift him for an F5 when he's willing, but if he shoots on Show, do you guys KNOW he's falling? I'm saying that if he cannot beast someone, Brock has never shown that three dimensional facet to his game where he's gonna use his hands to get the job done.
 

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LOL my deepest apologies, you're all pros in this shyt. My fault. I'm sorry, I guess size does not matter and isn't effective in preventing people from throwing you around no matter the skill. Cool. Brock is a prodigy but he doesn't defy physics, brehs. And he blows when he can't rely on being imposing. It's not a foregone conclusion. If he can move Big Show around with no problems he probably rapes him. But he's close to 500 fukking pounds. There's a chance he CAN'T. He can lift him for an F5 when he's willing, but if he shoots on Show, do you guys KNOW he's falling? I'm saying that if he cannot beast someone, Brock has never shown that three dimensional facet to his game where he's gonna use his hands to get the job done.

Both Angle and Brock have said multiple times that they've taken down Big Show in little impromptu wrestling matches. In fact, they'd both throw around Show way before they'd throw around each other.

I don't think you realize the difference between genetically gifted athletes who literally train all their lives to move and control bodies, and do so at the highest level.

And they are heavyweights! It's one thing if you're telling me Show could stuff a bantam/lightweight/welterweight shot, but not from a goddamn 280lb accomplished wrestler.
 

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Both Angle and Brock have said multiple times that they've taken down Big Show in little impromptu wrestling matches. In fact, they'd both throw around Show way before they'd throw around each other.

I don't think you realize the difference between genetically gifted athletes who literally train all their lives to move and control bodies, and do so at the highest level.

And they are heavyweights! It's one thing if you're telling me Show could stuff a bantam/lightweight/welterweight shot, but not from a goddamn 280lb accomplished wrestler.


People like that would put money on Hong Man Choi to beat Fedor or The Undertaker to beat Brock Lesnar :bryan:
 

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I never said Taker could fukk with an mma HW. I think that whole situation after Brock lost to Cain was overblown and if they had legit beef they've gotten past it.[DOUBLEPOST=1397325741][/DOUBLEPOST] And what happened when he couldn't impose his will? I'll give you Herring, Mir and Couture. Carwin gassing was the only reason he won that fight, and Cain destroyed him as did Overeem. Save the "he was sick" argument he should've walked away sooner in that regard. He would be lucky to even crack the top 20 of greatest MMA HW.
what do you mean save the sick argument? breh was sick, thats really one of the deciding factors in his loss
 

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i said could,:comeon: and if you knew anything about martial arts,as i do since i do have years of practice in it, santino has been a judoka since he was a kid has a shot at catching brock
one opening and its a wrap, i dont give a fukk how big and strong brock is,because if martial arts has proven size does not always matter



An encounter with brock in an octagon would not be a contest about form and discipline.
it would be an mma style encounter.
where brock has the easy nods in wrasslin, weight, striking power, and actualization as a top of the top pro.

Santino would get destroyed versus brock.
only thing that beat brock was not eating his veggies.
even brock weakened from diverticulitis would beat Santino.

as a matter of fact,..if brock was not weakened physiologically by diverticulitis.
I still think he could possibly still be ufc champion.





art barr[DOUBLEPOST=1397349445][/DOUBLEPOST]
Wade Barrett would give Brock a fight but he ain't winning


wade barrett, does not have hands good enough to stand in the pocket with brock.
regardless of how many bare knuckle fights he been in.

on top of the fact, brock has the edge in weight, ferocity, SPEED, and actual accomplished fully pedigree'd wrasslin ability.


art barr[DOUBLEPOST=1397349901][/DOUBLEPOST]
Not the current roster but I think 99 Steve Blackman could give Brock a run for his money, breh was jacked up and a legit martial arts master



blackman was nowhere near as accomplished in a mma arena as lesnar.
nor, was he actualized from a wrasslin perspective.

only person all time I could see from a worked wrasslin perspective arena.
possibly give brock a run for his money out the time machine would be:

bad news

even then, I don't think with badnews stampede shooter background.
could badnews be given any odds on favorite points above lesnar.

as lesnar has the edge in weight and actual actualized wrasslin ability.

bad news could possibly match him in the pocket in countering via standup.
yet, once it escalated to the ground.
I don't think old man hart trained anyone in the dungeon.
as well as lesnar was trained and actualized in grappling.
even, old man hart was nowhere near as accomplished as brock.
when, it came to shoot fighting in an organized fashion.


bad news could have beat lesnar in the early parts of his ufc career before he won the title out the time machine.
yet, anytime after lesnar actualized his standup, and his lead and cross.
which were thrown with deadly accuracy, placement and patience.
way, before diverticulitis crippled him physiologically.

I don't see any mortal man, standing in and winning a anything goes fight with lesnar.

lesnar would lose to angle in a strictly point based grappling match.
yet, in a full mma bout...
lesnar is the accurate choice to choose.







art barr[DOUBLEPOST=1397350096][/DOUBLEPOST]
what do you mean save the sick argument? breh was sick, thats really one of the deciding factors in his loss


I don't know how anyone can discredit brock having diverticulitis.

that shyt was official, and crippled lesnar.
anyone who saw brock before that crippling illness.
can look with mortal eyes and see brock was reduced.
only person, discrediting diverticulitis is a pathological fool.
brock would possibly have beat the people.
brock failed to beat, if not for diverticulitis.

none of those guys had his ground game.
plus, none of those guys suffered a loss physiologically on par with the damage brock suffered from diverticulitis.

art barr
 
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I am 100% sure Brock could beat the shyt out of anyone in the WWE today... hes just too strong and too quick on an inhuman level. He can throw people that weigh several hundred pounds around like rag dolls.
 

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what do you mean save the sick argument? breh was sick, thats really one of the deciding factors in his loss
Then he shouldn't have fought. Cain would've beat him regardless and so would Overeem.[DOUBLEPOST=1397352609][/DOUBLEPOST]
I don't know how anyone can discredit brock having diverticulitis.

that shyt was official, and crippled lesnar.
anyone who saw brock before that crippling illness.
can look with mortal eyes and see brock was reduced.
only person, discrediting diverticulitis is a pathological fool.
brock would possibly have beat the people.
brock failed to beat, if not for diverticulitis.

none of those guys had his ground game.
plus, none of those guys suffered a loss physiologically on par with the damage brock suffered from diverticulitis.

art barr
Nobody forced him to fight after getting part of his colon removed. Cain is on another level and would've beaten Brock handily even at 100%. Brock took him down twice and Cain got up off his back almost immediately
 

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LOL my deepest apologies, you're all pros in this shyt. My fault. I'm sorry, I guess size does not matter and isn't effective in preventing people from throwing you around no matter the skill. Cool. Brock is a prodigy but he doesn't defy physics, brehs. And he blows when he can't rely on being imposing. It's not a foregone conclusion. If he can move Big Show around with no problems he probably rapes him. But he's close to 500 fukking pounds. There's a chance he CAN'T. He can lift him for an F5 when he's willing, but if he shoots on Show, do you guys KNOW he's falling? I'm saying that if he cannot beast someone, Brock has never shown that three dimensional facet to his game where he's gonna use his hands to get the job done.



breh,...
do you realize how ca ca crazy you sound?

what facet does anyone walking the street have to cancel out one of brock's facet's.
plus, what wwe wrassler, besides the vague possibility of bad news out the time machine have against lesnar.

you talking about before diverticulitis a guy who was a grappling prodigy and complete freak of nature.
plus, had speed that was worldly.

before diverticulitis and eliminating brock from fully ramping up.
I don't see anyone really beating him if he was focused.
in a real actual shoot,..i don't see anyone beating or overpowering him.
as he gets to us his own acquired illegal slick.
which would have been outlawed by most feds.

so, I really don't see before diverticulitis no untrained, unactualized grappler or mma guy beating up brock lesnar.

let alone a wwe performer, who is primarily a trained stuntman Hollywood guy.






art barr[DOUBLEPOST=1397353901][/DOUBLEPOST]
Then he shouldn't have fought. Cain would've beat him regardless and so would Overeem.[DOUBLEPOST=1397352609][/DOUBLEPOST] Nobody forced him to fight after getting part of his colon removed. Cain is on another level and would've beaten Brock handily even at 100%. Brock took him down twice and Cain got up off his back almost immediately



actually,...brock was just a professional and basically did the job like he was back in the wwe.
brock had been damaged physiologically and had a complete lack of ferocity against cain.

if brock was at 100%, I don't see cain getting the best of lesnar with full strength and ferocity.
plus, brock continuing to be able to ramp up, without issue.

cain just was in the right place to be booked at the exact right time.


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There was a thread that was asking why wrestling fans get made fun of and are not taken seriously...this is your answer...I bet some of you think that Cessaro would beat prime Mike Tyson or Ali...I mean He has those European uppercuts and he is strong...HE IS THE SWISS SUPERMAN!!! :bryan:
 

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There was a thread that was asking why wrestling fans get made fun of and are not taken seriously...this is your answer...I bet some of you think that Cessaro would beat prime Mike Tyson or Ali...I mean He has those European uppercuts and he is strong...HE IS THE SWISS SUPERMAN!!! :bryan:
Like I said before, if you need any insight how the great majority of WWE would do in a real fight, watch Brawl for All. Bart Gunn was knocking people the fukk out in that tournament and then could not even last a minute against Butterbean.

Trained fighters >>>>>
 

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I'll take my L off the strength of Big Show apparently being herbed by Brock according to his book. According to him the only dude who could match him in strength is Kane. My point was only that Show could potentially make things interesting. Taking all of the intangibles into account of an actual fight and not an MMA match. But if he's rag dolling him like he says, i'm quick to back down. The only dude with proper credentials on paper would be Swagger, but I don't see that going Swag's way.
 
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