Do you think the NCAA will be able to keep this business model up forever?

[BlvdBrawler]

you cant earn money and goto school? wheredeydothatat?

Sure you can. But you just said you wouldn't pay all of them because not all sports generate revenue.

So, if being a student-athlete comes with a salary, then everyone gets paid. Or nobody does. Which is it?

 

[mastermind]

Sure you can. But you just said you wouldn't pay all of them because not all sports generate revenue.

not all of them EARN the money tho. That is what work is about. The work you do brings revenue to your company or organization.

So, if being a student-athlete comes with a salary, then everyone gets paid. Or nobody does. Which is it?

not everyone deserves a salary.

Like I said before, I dont think any of these sports programs should be earning this much money, but since they do they should be compensated.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

not all of them EARN the money tho. That is what work is about. The work you do brings revenue to your company or organization.


not everyone deserves a salary.

Like I said before, I dont think any of these sports programs should be earning this much money, but since they do they should be compensated.

Agree to disagree, I guess.

These kids play for scholarships and for the pride of their school, and as far as I can tell they love doing it (generally speaking). The really great ones get exposure they wouldn't otherwise get, and the not-really-great ones get free educations. I don't see a problem.

 

[Skilltastrophy]

the system is completely broken

and you guys can chill with these ridiculous notions of "what about athletes at Tennessee Technical Institute of Architecture"...because I don't think anyone with a reasonable mind actually is arguing that every athlete at every college should be paid a salary...if they are using that argument they are retarded

this problem is a lot harder to solve than "pay them"...but it's also ridiculous to not see that this is a problem and a situation that cannot last

any model where the workers generate billions of dollars in revenue and see not even a .1 percent of the profit is a completely broken model.

the problem is "how do we fix it?"...there's literally no easy answer...and we'll probably see 5 or 6 different terrible attempts to fix it before we find a compromise that somewhat works...it'll never be entirely fair...too much money's at stake...it'll probably never even be somewhat fair or even close to fair...but the profit divide right now is too large for the status quo to continue much longer

the rules that continue to govern amateur athletics were written before the era of billion dollar television contracts and networks that are specifically dedicated to cover certain conferences....think about how crazy that is...there are people who make a living, a good living and it's their job to simply cover athletes who make nothing...it seems ludicrous.

the quickest way to handle this in my POV would be for these super conferences to happen now...get 4 16-team conferences and then formally disband from the NCAA and create their own league where those teams can set up whatever payment system they believe will work...that will likely not happen...at the very least those 64 teams disbanding from the NCAA's governing would put us in the right direction.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

So if a program isn't bringing in money, should they bill the players?

The funny thing is that there's a market for what they do and other than football, an alternative league that will pay you. You can't hold students to an archaic system, correct, but at the same time, who's forcing them to?

Bill players? What do you mean? Why?

And "forcing" isnt really an argument I want to pursue, but for the Basketball athlete, there isnt any professional avenue from 18-20...in this country you're locked into a system, where you surrender significant earning potential. In a way they are kind of forced...but besides that, the point is that in America if you earn money, you are payed in turn. Period. Its really just that simple, and there is no way around it.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

the point is that in America if you earn money, you are payed in turn.

For the 50th time...

Scholarships!!! Jesus.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

For the 50th time...

Scholarships!!! Jesus.

thats not compensation...thats a barter system, and its completely imbalanced in favor of the institution. Im a graduate student and all of my tuition is handled via grants and scholarships. Im not an athlete.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

thats not compensation...thats a barter system, and its completely imbalanced in favor of the institution. Im a graduate student and all of my tuition is handled via grants and scholarships. Im not an athlete.

I know you don't consider it compensation; it would kill your whole point.

But there are 10's of thousands of student-athletes who disagree with you.

 

[tremonthustler1]

the quickest way to handle this in my POV would be for these super conferences to happen now...get 4 16-team conferences and then formally disband from the NCAA and create their own league where those teams can set up whatever payment system they believe will work...that will likely not happen...at the very least those 64 teams disbanding from the NCAA's governing would put us in the right direction.

Two issues with that.

1. those teams are on their own (and if they're on their own in say football-- which is why anyone ever brings this stuff up-- how fukked will they be in other sports, because if I'm the NCAA and you're breaking away, don't half ass it, break away completely) It's not as seamless as one may think.

2. the rest of the schools would still remain under the same system and the same complaints would remain, and then what?

 

[Skilltastrophy]

I know you don't consider it compensation; it would kill your whole point.

But there are 10's of thousands of student-athletes who disagree with you.

Basically every starter on a football or basketball team at a BCS-level school would agree with him

 

[No_bammer_weed]

I know you don't consider it compensation; it would kill your whole point.

But there are 10's of thousands of student-athletes who disagree with you.

why are you being so dense...is that what your job pays you? Instead of financial compensation, they give you some sort of scholarship, or education grant?

I dont give a sht who disagrees with me --- they dont have to take the money then. For those that earn and will accept financial compensation, it is their right, because its their money just as much as it is that of the executives, coaches, agents, etc whom profit handsomely off of their work. You dont see Coach K getting paid in "scholarships"

 

[Skilltastrophy]

Two issues with that.

1. those teams are on their own (and if they're on their own in say football-- which is why anyone ever brings this stuff up-- how fukked will they be in other sports, because if I'm the NCAA and you're breaking away, don't half ass it, break away completely) It's not as seamless as one may think.

2. the rest of the schools would still remain under the same system and the same complaints would remain, and then what?

Teams wanting to not play within the NCAA's rules anymore and who choose to join with the new conferences can apply for membership

but at least we'd have a new infastructure set up that schools will have the OPTION to take advantage of or not

the current system operates and functions perfectly for athletic departments that are generating minimal revenue

it does not operate correctly for the schools making the small countries GDPs off their athletic programs...most likely those schools will fall within the 64 teams that disband.

the other sports would take some time to figure out...but most of these athletic departments in the 64 team configuration could play amongst themselves in other sports

and create their own tournaments that generate revenue...and whatever payment system they decide on would have to leave money to help support the other sports and the school itself...but with the money no longer being held hostage by the NCAA there's more of it to distribute.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Bill players? What do you mean? Why?

And "forcing" isnt really an argument I want to pursue, but for the Basketball athlete, there isnt any professional avenue from 18-20...in this country you're locked into a system, where you surrender significant earning potential. In a way they are kind of forced...but besides that, the point is that in America if you earn money, you are payed in turn. Period. Its really just that simple, and there is no way around it.

If a program is bringing in money, you'd want the players to be compensated appropriately for the revenue they bring in, right? What about the ones that don't bring in money?

If all you want is a professional avenue, those avenues exist. Even the D-League will sign you straight outta high school and pay you; they just won't make you eligible for the NBA, so technically, there IS an avenue domestically. The problem is that you don't get free exposure for playing in D-League, the type of exposure that could manifest itself into millions of dollars.

It's an imperfect system. Even the pros have an imperfect structure. Hell, it's America. We show everything on TV from pros to college to high school to little league baseball to spelling bees and everything comes with million dollar price tags. No one said it was all fair.

 

[PortCityProphet]

I am not in favor of straight up payment as much as I am in favor of getting rid of the restrictions they have on guys. I understand that it would be tricky paying guys, especially paying them what they are worth when you have so many players just on the football team and then you have to consider the other sports. I totally get that. However there is no good reason guys shouldn't be able to use their sports prowess and celebrity to come up on some free or discounted shyt. There is no reason a guy who becomes a star shouldn't be able to do ads or other things to profit from his likeness. The rules as currently constituted are basically on some "You mine bytch!" type shyt. No other college student, even those on scholarship, have those type of limitations placed on them.

That sounds good until it comes to recruiting. If Nike can throw cats more endorsements than anyone else where you think all these kids gonna go. Oh a billionaire oil tyc00n needs a new endorser...that 5 star QB is a good lookin kid. I'll throw him a milli he can endorse my company and go to my alma
I can't think of a way to pay them that doesn't open a can of worms

 

[PortCityProphet]

why are you being so dense...is that what your job pays you? Instead of financial compensation, they give you some sort of scholarship, or education grant?

I dont give a sht who disagrees with me --- they dont have to take the money then. For those that earn and will accept financial compensation, it is their right, because its their money just as much as it is that of the executives, coaches, agents, etc whom profit handsomely off of their work. You dont see Coach K getting paid in "scholarships"

cause Coach K isn't an athlete