Doe or Die is a Flawless Album

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There's a Rap Pages issue from 1995 that has this on its Most Dissapointing Albums Ever list because of how AZ's street poetry was hit and miss and was short of being Illmatic.

Dumbest shyt I ever read

But then again I'm 99% sure people who listened to it when it first came out...were expecting it to be Illmatic 2 of some sorts..keep in mind this was before It Was Written came out, so Nas was still the lyrical street poet..so I understand how they might not have cared for it...



But listening to this years later as its own individual project, do what it was, without any expectations, it immediately became my top rap 10 albums ever.


I will say Pete rock should have produced the entire project though..like it was originally intended

Gimme yours is the second best rap song ever to me
THAT woulda made it a bonafide classic, and I ain't mad at the sentence below it

gimme yours and déjà vu are in the same echelon.
 

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Nasir didn't even drop a verse... personally I prefer this version because of better chorus vocals




This remix at the time could.not get the miss Jones sentimentalism two.times in a row for a rnb based rap.hook back then.
I posted about how az and miss Jones sentimentalism propelled this record to gold.
Then, also set everything else up for others as well.


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as i age i find albums like 400 degreez, ghetty green that i play more
 

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So (A) in God I (B) trust, I (B) lust for a 850-deluxe (B)
And (A) in too, I (B) touch a (A) million-plus, (B) ain't (B) much to discuss (B)
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Diamonds and (B)double-digits, Gianni Versace down with lizards
It's realism so I visualisin to live it
Movin cleverly wit intentions of longevity

AZ Rhyme Schemes on some of this songs were ridiculous.
 

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if AZ just linked up with pete rock, diamond d, buckwild and Primo his whole career he'd be goat status. Doe or Die is one of the most underrated album of all time.
 

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"Hey Young World" - Slick Rick - 1988


Slick Rick like LL are pretty much the only ol school way of thought artist around.
So, they really kind don't fit into the argument.
If, that was the case we could cite any ol school way of thought guys who used melody and routines.
When, we speak of modern artist in rap, in the new school way of thought.
Except a few exceptions those being Dougie, slick, and LL and maybe a few others from the ol school way of thought.
Or, any mca or ol school legacy rush legacy artist.
A few juice crew guys and/ or admin, more than likely.
who made that drawing exception and conversion to the new school way of thought as a draw.
Yet, still took draw and cultural artistic character critique negatives in their career.
Which is why sampling and over use of disco breaks was taboo.
Especially after break beats were dead.
Plus, the use of sugar hill low quality rnb leaning disco record making tactics.
With outdated funk rifts and rnb styled hooks.
Where the elements are left out of the music history aspect.
that is supposed to exist in some form in an actual rap record.
From stealing beats/rhymes and not acting in good cultural faith with integrity to the pillars as a prescient business and social extension.
Was ushered out originally in the new school way of thought.

So,....
That is why I did not say slick Rick.
We could say krs, but krs more or less backed off of melody.
Plus, is the leader and his whole style of reggae melody.
was b*stardized and made outlawed once the styles wars from tongue twist'n to bone and hammer.
Lead to guys like snow and even the bush baybees.
Or, even mention reggae melody chanting.
Were ousted out and only mister man culturally from that little fold had a draw.
That had a what was soon unearthed as an even bigger cultural sellout ploy in the whole rawkus turned hiphopinfinity/emo rafe war in rap.

Nas, is really Anakin fukk'n Skywalker turned Darth Vader of rap.
Which is why,....
I still say nas never had to sell out or even flirt with commercialization.
If, nas would have stuck to his guns and not conceded't.
Eventually, he would have been able to just stick to making and keeping cultural style rap records a draw.
Plus, would have eliminated all phoney mister magic booty shake non cultural drawing style artist from ever drawing in rap period.
That is the entire cultural.legacy of rap hanging in the balance with nas and he sold out.
That is why things are exactly why things are the way they are now.
Puffy was just the killing stoke to eventually degradation would.occur and disco would slow us back up as house/edm.
By stealing trap and making it the basis of all house and rnb.
Once, nas the cultural barometer and litmus test by rap legacy sold out.
There was no cultural defense mechanism or argument that could be raised.
Unless, you took out nas and had a legacy that rivaled nas's own skill.
in the last real rap underground battle pedigree.
Including an intangible ill factor to rival nas.
The last gen's best ill factor emcee's pedigree and skill.
Plus, rap's last original sinister vocal, too.

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Also, back then,....
When real cultural artist in rap.
Had cultural segregation in rap from just stock sellout non-culturally affiliated artist.
A cultural artist like nas had az as a commercial sentimental artist from miss Jones being passed over for mjb.
So, in that like rakim and Jody Whatley asking for a feature.
To more or less publically challenge and provide the arena to challenge rakim to appear on her record ushered rakim cultural sentiment.
Which was made to boost rakim's draw as an inherent variable.
If, rakim succeeded to do what was thought impossible.
Which was make a hardcore bboy appearance in any form on an rnb record and apply skill.
Without losing or sacrificing your cultural sentiment in the same hand.
Of, which rakim succeeded and opened the door for the sentiment for miss Jones.
After she was shut down for having the jeru break culturally originally.
Only to have expert mca publicist, combined with incredible saturation in the mom/pop's as a draw.
To successfully market mjb, and side swipe original cultural disses to mjb.
Which resulted in the death of GRAND PUBA, as a cultural draw and artist as a solo, too.
Yet, would create the backdoor sellout sentiment.
for what would later be the beginning of sonic club beginnings.
For, what would later evolve into the jiggy club scene in puba's 2ooo.
In that az, was similar in commercial sentiment.
Plus, was perceived as the street cultural gateway artist and foil to nas.
Who was strictly a complete cultural artist.
So, nas never had to sellout in his albums and could have just done rnb sentiment hook records with miss Jones or az.
In back and forth feature kind of round robins and elongated all their draws, to much larger heights..than when they eventually all failed at selling out to the jiggy movement.
Plus, were successful a number of times with cultural relaunchs.
Which opens the gate for sellout from th le gate artist to pander to the underground and not even use any cultural possible channel.
That is the Pandora box that nas opened selling out.




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